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What player has the Most Singles titles and no Slam? (controversy sneakily enclosed)

Anyone know off hand?

I'm too lazy to look it up myself.

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Re: What player has the most Singles titles and no Slam

Elena has 13

Probably isn't the most though, and it depends what you define as a title? Challengers, ITF?

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Most singles WTA titles without a GS win

21 - Pam Shriver
19 - Manuela Maleeva-Fragnière

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Elena has 13

Probably isn't the most though, and it depends what you define as a title? Challengers, ITF?
No, I mean tour level tournaments- above whatever the present equivalent of a "tier 3" was.

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Most singles WTA titles without a GS win

21 - Pam Shriver
19 - Manuela Maleeva-Fragnière
Are you certain about this?

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Kim has 34, same number as Serena, and just 1 Slam compared to Serena's 11 I don't know if that says more of Kim or Ree

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Are you certain about this?
Yeah, it may seem hard to believe but lovely Pam even played a US Open final as a teenager losing in two tight sets against Evert. She got to #3 in the rankings also

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Re: What player has the most Singles titles and no Slam

Well, I gotta be honest.

There's a more controversial reason I'm asking this question, but I just want to make sure the facts are correct.

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Re: What player has the most Singles titles and no Slam

How many titles does MJF have?

I guess I should at least be willing to go look myself on the WTA site.

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LOL Mary Joe won just 7...even Amy Frazier got more titles than her Let alone the likes of Smashnova, Nagyova or Medina Garrigues

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How many titles does MJF have?

I guess I should at least be willing to go look myself on the WTA site.
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But to be fair Mary Joe consistently refused to play the small tournaments, she would only play the big tourneys. In fact, 6 of these titles came in big ones, and the only "small" was in Strasbourg which used to have quite a decent draw

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Jelena Jankovic has 10
Medina Garrigues has 9

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Yeah, it may seem hard to believe but lovely Pam even played a US Open final as a teenager losing in two tight sets against Evert. She got to #3 in the rankings also
Why would that be so hard to believe?

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Re: What player has the most Singles titles and no Slam

MJF only has 7?!!

I thought, for sure, she had more than that.

Alright, well here's why I'm asking.

It seems to me that the argument of "who are the all time greats" constantly comes up along with the question "how do we measure them?"

One issue, in relation to the metric used, is non slam Singles Titles. A lot of weight is given to this factor along with a host of others (doubles titles, doubles ranking, weeks at #1).

The funny thing about this to me is now that we look at what players have the most singles titles without winning a slam, NONE OF THEM seem to ever make it on to that list of all time greats that everybody wants to factor Single's titles into. I imagine the same would hold true of all those who top the charts in the other non slam factors.

All this says to me that, deep down in the dark crevices of our tennis loving souls, we really DON'T give a damn about singles titles.

It's ALL about SLAM titles.

So why not, next time this argument comes up, make it simple and just count the slams! Because we know deep down we're not that impressed with whoever wins all that other stuff anyway.

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