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Objectively analysing the Wimbledon Final...

I've read the standard "fixed" "family decision" as no surprise, however, there are a few key reasons for Serena's victory and some amazing questions to be asked of Venus.

People before the match based on Serena's SF performance predicted a trashing by Venus based on Safina/Venus. What they didn't take in mind is that Safina's movement really allows Venus to do what she wants to do way moreso than Dementieva especially Slamentieva playing at that level.

In truth, if you look at Venus' road to the final. Obviously a top seed is supposed to roll in the early rounds, but she really got opponents in which they really couldn't trouble her either by pace of shot/imposing their game(Radwanska) or had the pace of shot, but just can't match movement athleticism(Safina) she really got to do what she wanted to do in all her matches. Obviously, Serena moves better than any of her other 6 opponents, serves better, and hits harder.

Serena had to play Azarenka and Dementieva the latter being an especially good warm up to play Venus Williams. Dementieva hits a flat ball like Venus and moves almost as well. I fully believe Dementieva returns serve better than Venus as well. Venus presses too much on the first serves and struggles to read it more, but that's another discussion. Based on draw few could argue Serena had a tougher road to the final and played players closer to Venus than Venus played closer to her.

I never bought into the notion Serena was going to get thrashed even beyond that because when has Serena ever just played BADLY in a SF or F. Plus, Venus has never really played a PERFECT match start to finish much less against Serena.

Venus' tactics in the match were more an adaptation to Serena's play. She was not ALLOWED to come in because of Serena's weight and depth. Serena also used the angles of the court well particularly off the famous short angled FH to hit behind Venus.

This is the most important observation. If you notice at the beginning stages of the match Venus' second serve was upper 90s and looked better than I ever seen it. She also was 100% on her first serve winning percentage at one point and was getting them in often. As the match got to the business end her 2nd serve speed went back to its 70-80 range and I don't believe she got a SINGLE first serve in during the tiebreak. She also went for almost two complete service games in the 2nd set without landing a first serve. That's mental anyway you spin it.

Also, they were about even off the ground for a stage. Venus' depth on her FH and BH dropped and a couple of them were barely going over the net. She really got hesistant and tentative and when you play as flat and aggressive as Venus you can't get away with it in patches like Serena does. I mean her length really dropped and Serena stepped up and started to dictate.

This also happened to a lesser extent against Suarez-Navarro. When that R3 match got tight, her second serve went into the sixties at one point and she really pulled up and hesistated.

The mental advantage of Serena against Venus is paramount. It is not because of the sister and blood ties. Venus has never really been as strong as Serena mentally. If you notice the last years results or even this year Venus' losses have been mostly blowing leads. AO R2, Charleston, Rome(Safina), Her USO losses since forever. Anytime a player is consistently losing big matches by blowing leads that's mental/belief.
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I've never seen a woman serve as well as Serena did today. Trust me, with that serving she could have played a competitive set on the men's tour!
Once V realized that, she knew she had to serve like that as well in order to stay in the match. Keeping that in mind she couldn't deal with the pressure Serena put on her. End of the story.
Plus, Venus has to get decent shoes. Those crappy EleVen shoes made her slip like a cow on ice!
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I've never seen a woman serve as well as Serena did today. Trust me, with that serving she could have played a competitive set on the men's tour!
Once V realized that, she knew she had to serve like that as well in order to stay in the match. Keeping that in mind she couldn't deal with the pressure Serena put on her. End of the story.
Plus, Venus has to get decent shoes. Those crappy EleVen shoes made her slip like a cow on ice!
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The most important thing I took away from the final:

Serena hits MUCH better on the run shots. Besides second serve, this is the single most noticeable difference in their game. Venus may be lightning fast, but nearly all her running FHs and BHs were defensive shots. This allowed Serena to take control of rallies. If the player on the offensive lets up, Venus can easily get back into neutral position. But when a player is consistently hitting deep, and actually constructing a point, eventually Venus is gonna lose the point.

Serena on the other hand hit several ridiculous running shots out of nowhere that helped HER get back on offense. She does this way better, and this decided the match, imo.
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Serve was too good..and in a battle of serves, Serena will ALWAYS come out on top. She played brilliantly, movement was very very good!!.

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that looks like the match i watched as well

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personally, i think venus' lack of tough matches leading up to the final hindered her, once they got to the breaker and serena stepped it up, venus looked a little flustered. she never gives much away but she seemed a little nervy then. in the 2nd, the dodgy vee came out to play, maybe a tougher 1/4 or 1/2 would have helped vee?
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Re: Objectively analysing the Wimbledon Final...

If we are going to analyze the final then....Venus's movement today was horrendous, she kept slipping, her strokes were lacking authority as they for the most part in the middle of the court, her returns were awful and she lost the crucial points like those 2 break points

As for Serena, she played well at times, she still made a lot of errors, she served great and went for her shots and deserved the win.


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If we are going to analyze the final then....Venus's movement today was horrendous, she kept slipping, her strokes were lacking authority as they for the most part in the middle of the court, her returns were awful and she lost the crucial points like those 2 break points

As for Serena, she played well at times, she still made a lot of errors, she served great and went for her shots and deserved the win.
omg an objective fan casey get out, that doesnt happen on this forum. you should be disgusted with vee and calling serena a twat
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Venus was utter shit for unexplainable reasons.

No more analysing necessary.

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Generally when a player loses a match it means they lost the crucial points. That goes for a 6-0 6-0 or a 7-6 6-7 7-6.

Venus' movement may have been a step below last year, but the level she had at the beginning until about 4-4 was good enough to win that match. She, unfortunately for her, did not keep that level.
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When Serena was serving at 3-4 15-40, Venus had to have that break. And given Serena's serving, she needed it on the first point. Serena was bound to hit a service winner on one of the two points. I wouldn't call Venus' play on that point 'lazy'. But it wasn't any more urgent than it had been up to that time. Serena rolled off four straight points, leveled the match at four, and form there, kicked it up another notch. Venus played those points like she'd get another chance to break Serena's serve. And she didn't.

Serena is a better tennis player than Venus. it's really that simple. Groundies are pretty even, Serena serves better, Venus volleys better, but if Serena gets depth-of-shot, Venus doesn't get a chance to volley. Once Venus lost control of her first serve, it was over.

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Venus played crap, pretty much, while Serena was up to her standards, although I don't think it's the best tennis she could play.
You could see Venus was mad at herself when the match was finished, she didn't have it in that final.
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