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The Williams triumph is complete - but it is has been an ugly victory.

To all those Williams fans who crowed in 2004-05-06 that the Sisters would one day be the two greatest players in the world again - you are vindicated. In two startling different styles yesterday, Serena and Venus imposed their will and ran roughshod over the best that the WTA had to offer, on the most important tennis stage in the world. As far as I am concerned, the Williams sisters and their proponents have nothing left to prove. If there was any remaining doubt, all of that was finally settled, once and for all, in yesterday's matches.

But who predicted some years ago that when the Williams returned to the top in 2008-09, that the great, courageous Justine Henin would be doing clown shows on European MTV, that Maria Sharapova would be rusted out at the age of 21, that Kim Clijsters would have quit the game during her prime years to start mothering, that the competative fire of the stylish Mauresmo and the sexy Myskina would wane so quickly after their break-throughs, that once-future stars Tati Golovin and Nicole Vaidisova would disentigrate into little piles of injuries and indifference, that the dull, unimaginative games of Dinara Safina and Jelena Jankovic could bring them the world #1 ranking, and I could go on and on. The sport of women's tennis is a train wreck. What has happened to the best players of this sport in the past few years makes me physically ill.

The Williams have triumphed because, along with yesterday's heroine in defeat Dementieva (who with Serena finally gave us a single great, entertaining match to be riveted), they are the only ones left standing. Hail to the Williams, and long live the Queens of this tennis generation!

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Re: The Williams triumph is complete - but it is has been an ugly victory.

They succeeded because they are the best, plain and simple.

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Re: The Williams triumph is complete - but it is has been an ugly victory.

you're trying to subtly imply that they are only at the top because those players are absent as usual

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you're trying to subtly imply that they are only at the top because those players are absent as usual


No. I'm implying that the absence of those players is very bad, irrespective of Williams triumph.
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Re: The Williams triumph is complete - but it is has been an ugly victory.

I think you're counting TOB out a little quickly. She's been back for less than two months after a full year off and actually did quite well until Wimbledon. And Dulko has always been one of those players who's capable of knocking off a top player on any given day; she lacks the consistency to be a top player day in and day out, but when she's on she can--and has--beaten Top 10 players.

The game is in flux right now, no doubt about it. There are some solid up-and-comers. And, yeah, I'm biased, but personally I think you almost have to be going out of your way to be a hater if you don't like the way that--at age 27--Dementieva is retooling her game and her fitness regimen to actually be MORE competitive with the Williams sisters than she was at 21.

It's also interesting that you completely overlooked Sveta. Again, Wimby was not such a great showing, but losing to Lisicki? I suspect that a lot of other Top 10 players are going to be singing that song in the near future. She looks to be something of a late bloomer by women's tennis standards, but her game has improved by leaps and bounds this year. The consistency isn't there, but certainly there is loads of physical talent IF she can get her head together. And no matter what, the worst case scenario is that she'll be a dangerous lurker and a threat to the big girls. Sveta will never be Miss Consistency, but now that she has Slam #2, I think she's back in the mix for the hardcourt season.

As far as Dinara, I wouldn't write her off. She may well be one of those players who, when they finally get that breakthrough win, it just clicks. (Sveta wasn't, but Dinara might be. See Evert and Agassi). Time will tell.

So what if right now we're going through another Williams reign? There are some interesting challengers lining up. I'm hoping Lena can make one last hurrah and topple the Queens. I'm very intrigued by Vika, Caro, Lisicki and Glatch. Young Sloane is, IMHO, a blast to watch and absolutely charming.

I agree the balance of '09 will be hard for non-Williams fans (more specifically, non-Serena fans after Saturday). But I think '10 is going to be a great year for tennis in general, with chaos (good chaos) on the women's side, and the Roger/Rafa/Andys battling on the men's side.

Too bad NBC will fuck up the coverage, but what the hell.

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Re: The Williams triumph is complete - but it is has been an ugly victory.

Oh Gosh...some years ago WS haters said the sisters couldnt last with their style of game based on power and speed , and that on the contrary the like of Henin or Mauresmo with "soft" and "artistic" Game would last at least until they are 35 years old ...see what happened to Henin ...she was totaly burnt out and Mauresmo is nothing more than the shadow of herself...

the Williams sisters still at the top of the tennis world with their powerfull and athletic game respectively at the age of 28 and 29 years old each..how ironic lol


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Venus and Serena always limited the number of tournaments they played during the year. When they were hurt, they always allowed themselves enough time to heal. Venus and Serena were always criticized for not playing enough tennis but it looks like their formula was the correct formula for tennis longevity. The game is much harder on the body than it was 25 years ago so you have to pace yourself.
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they are the best! period. no astericks.
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Oh Gosh...some years ago WS haters said the sisters couldnt last with their style of game based on power and speed , and that on the contrary the like of Henin or Mauresmo with "soft" and "artistic" Game would last at least until they are 35 years old ...see what happened to Henin ...she was totaly burnt out and Mauresmo is nothing more than the shadow of herself...

the Williams sisters still at the top of the tennis world with their powerfull and athletic game respectively at the age of 28 and 29 years old each..how ironic lol
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whadda a douche.

and on a side note this is why I hate Mary Carillo. this is what she does all day long when she commentates on the WS. She "compliments" them in the same way. Every compliment out of her mouth is an insult.

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No. I'm implying that the absence of those players is very bad, irrespective of Williams triumph.
so does say the thread title i guess.

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Venus and Serena are, always were, and for many years will be the greatest players alive. Dont hate

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Oh Gosh...some years ago WS haters said the sisters couldnt last with their style of game based on power and speed , and that on the contrary the like of Henin or Mauresmo with "soft" and "artistic" Game would last at least until they are 35 years old ...see what happened to Henin ...she was totaly burnt out and Mauresmo is nothing more than the shadow of herself...

the Williams sisters still at the top of the tennis world with their powerfull and athletic game respectively at the age of 28 and 29 years old each..how ironic lol
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Viva Williams sisters,I believe even with the presence of the above mentioned players,they would still have come on top,sorry if that hurts.

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