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Top 10 players that will improve their games to compete with the WILLIAMS

SERENA WILLIAMS has the current edge, but it is still she and sister VENUS that rule the tour at this time with SERENA leading as the top GS title winner this year and VENUS as the top overall tour title leader.



As for the remainder of the current top ten, most are quite shell shocked and a couple have already started to spiral downwards.

I expect Lindsay Davenport to maintain her conditioning and to move back up in the ranking. A radical training method could give her an additional boost to help her possibly grab a mojor next year.
Believe it or not, tap dancing or an other, quick feet style dancing, would improve her foot quickness. In fact, this should have been done years ago, but I beieve that it could help her game even now.

Will Monica finally bite the bullet, be inspired by Sampras and get in great shape for next year? I hope that she does, but I would not bet on that occurring. However, Monica has a great heart and should remain highly ranked in the top ten next year.

I would like to think that Mauresmo would finally be ready to get her game ready for a historical win in Paris next year after the close run that she had against VENUS in the Open semis this year.

As for the rest of the current top ten, they are in disarray at best. They are a distracted and beaten bunch that are focusing more on their social lives or other personal or family demons or have just lost to much heart to successfully combat either VENUS or SERENA.

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I think Clijsters has a shot--she did beat Venus this year, and took her to three sets in San Diego. Admittedly, she's been a bit of a mess against players very much beneath her this year, but she seems to get to a good level when playing strong players.
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Vera ( Of course ) will eventually challenge the Williams,probaly not next year,but maybe 2004.I mean,she already has taken a set from Kim Clijsters and Serena Williams and has only played around 10 tournaments this year (Age Eligibility Rules). When she plays more,she will improve and be more consistent than she already is.
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Henin has beaten a Williams this year.
Clijsters has beaten a Williams this year.
Rubin has beaten a Williams this year.
Seles has beaten a Williams this year.
Schnyder has beaten a Williams this year.
Testud has beaten a Williams this year.

While yes they're on top of the game and playing the best tennis out there - they are not completely invincible. They do lose. Until they finish the year with losses against only one another, I don't buy your statement that: most are quite shell shocked and a couple have already started to spiral downwards.
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When one of the above players beats a WILLIAMS three or more times in one year or once or twice in a GS final, then we may have something to crow about, but until then, it will not be considered a momumental achievement.

VENUS & SERENA are not invinceable, but from their records, when playing anyone but one another, they are the closest thing to being invincible on the tour at this time.

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I think Clijsters has a shot--she did beat Venus this year, and took her to three sets in San Diego. Admittedly, she's been a bit of a mess against players very much beneath her this year, but she seems to get to a good level when playing strong players.
She has been a mess due to injury (she hasn't been able to practice for most of the year)...but she is getting her form back...so we'll see what she's like @ the Aus. Open this year when she has the crowd behind her. Kim has a lot of fans here...the only downside is that she has to put up with the media trying to convince her to marry Lleyton and play Fed. Cup for Australia.
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Venus and Serena are currently heads and shoulders above the rest currently. I have no doubts that the rest of the tour will catch up, it's just a matter of time.

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I will not hold my breath waiting for the tour to catch up to VENUS & SERENA.

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Give it up Tee! Serena is truly dominating the tour, but you don't fool me at all. Venus? Heh. Isn't that funny...she's been dominating? I don't think so. She hasn't won any big events this year, is 0-4 against her sister, is SLAMLESS, and all of this at a time when the majority of the top 10 is at their career low-point! With Martina playing her worst tennis ever and being out most of the year, Lindsay being out most of the year, Monica losing form, and the Belgians having a little bit of a sophomore slump, Venus still has done nothing of note.

Remember in 2000, many said Martina Hingis was done, she didn't win a Slam, a terrible year. Well guess what, she won more titles in that year and finished with a higher ranking than Venus will this year. Overall, Venus Williams is certainly on the decline, with her stigma of being Venus getting her through matches just as Hingis used to. By the middle of next year, that aura will be cracked and she will be exposed for the one-dimensional player she is.

Serena dominating? Yes. Venus? Heh. I know it kills Venus fans like Tee here, but it's the truth.
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The young players. Hantuchova is the oldest player with a shot if you ask me. Davenport will also be a challenge, Hingis could in theory, be probably won't want to put in the work. Henin would have to hire a contingent of counselors, but Clijsters/Mauresmo are about as good as they can get. And obviously it isn't good enough. Vera is to mentally shakey if you ask me. Eleni/Maria Sharapova/Vera Douchevina/Svetlana Kuznetsova/Dinara Safina are IMO the most likely to dethrone the sisters.

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It is interesting to me that the folks that have such a HUGE problem with Venus' dominance in 2000, and 2001, seem to warm up to Serena slightly. I guess it's because she has brought the nemesis of their favorite player down a notch. Note that Venus STILL rules, except when playing Serena. Venus has lost SEVEN matches this year, FOUR of them to Serena. Only Monica, Kim and Sandrine have beaten her otherwise.

Seven tournaments, Venus is STILL dominating, except when playing Serena.

Note that I am slightly more of a Serena fan, so it doesn't bother me either. I STILL like Venus against the rest.
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Henin has beaten a Williams this year.
Clijsters has beaten a Williams this year.
Rubin has beaten a Williams this year.
Seles has beaten a Williams this year.
Schnyder has beaten a Williams this year.
Testud has beaten a Williams this year.

While yes they're on top of the game and playing the best tennis out there - they are not completely invincible. They do lose. Until they finish the year with losses against only one another, I don't buy your statement that: most are quite shell shocked and a couple have already started to spiral downwards.
i agree w/ Tee - the fact is, you actually have to go and search for the 6 names that have beaten a Williams (and not just Serena or Venus, A williams, please note that there are two of them). ALL the other names are not like that. i mean, you basically proved tee's point - you found SIX names that have combined to beat two people all year. and technically, you could call it seven and add Meghann Shaughnessy to the list, but i don't think she really counts (she beat serena at sydney before OZ). and please note that none of those players have repeated. none of them (not even my favorite has troubles, and yes, please note that my favorite is lindsay, not either venus or serena, and for the record, i like serena more anyway.) and all things considered, its bound to happen - you just cant have a million-and-zero record against someone, probabliity says that won't happen - but that's another story.

ooooo - about what you said.

along w/ what was already commented above, venus has dominated the tour as well. while her record is not as good as it was last year or in 2000, let's look at it. ok, so a 60-7 record isn't AS good as a 46-5 record, in your opinion. fine. but let's look at that 60-7 record. 4 losses have been to serena. so that makes her record 60-3 if you discount serena. as if that wasn't amazing. that means that she's played 14 tournaments and won 7 of them, lost in the final in 3 majors to serena, hasn't lost in the quarterfinal ever this year, and even then she's lost in one quarterfinal and two semifinals. that's 11 finals in 14 tournaments. that's not dominating? where are YOU living - in a cave? i mean honestly, what does she have to do - win every tournament, beat serena all the time? even in 2000 and 2001, venus and serena dominated the tour. venus did the winning overall, but when they were separated, serena contributed to the williams household trophies too. there is no way you can say that they haven't dominated this year. that's absurd.

Lindsay Davenport - Anna Smashnova - Lisa Raymond - Sandrine Testud - Paola Suarez - Amelie Mauresmo - Virginia Ruano-Pascual - Nadia Petrova - Chanda Rubin - Cara Black - Tathiana Garbin - Anne Kremer - Monica Seles - Fabiola Zuluaga - Maria Sanchez-Lorenzo - Amanda Coetzer - Rita Grande - Meghann Shaughnessy - Magui Serna - Nathalie Dechy - Kim Clijsters - Elena Tatarkova - Maria Sharapova - Alicia Molik - Julia Vakulenko - Elena Likhovtseva - Anastasia Myskina - Emilie Loit
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Mikey:

This is as CLEAR as anyone can put it. Other WTA players would KILL to have Venus' record this year. The only glitch to her having THREE slams and TEN tourneys was her sister, Serena! Also Serena kept her out of a final at NASDAQ. (fifth slam)

This was definately Serena's year, from #9 at the start to #1 in FIVE months. (She was still #9 after not playing Indian Wells in March) But, Venus is STILL way ahead of the rest of the pack!
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Tier I: SERENA & VENUS
Tier II: Lindsay
Tier III: Capriati & maybe , finally, Momo
Tier IV: The rest of the top ten & Chanda
Tier V: The rest of the darn tour

That's about it.

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