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It just goes to show you,age doesn't matter look at pete,never count out monica.

i mean,it is all about the sheer hard work and determination,everyone counted out pete,and look at him now,he just won his 14th grandslam....for monica i still believe she can do it,i mean i have been saying this for a while,but i know she will commit herself to getting in the best shape of her life....when i listened to john and the rest of the commentators saying wow look at pete,nobody thought he could do it,but it goes to show you how much he wanted it....all the seles fans keep believing,because my instinct says that monica will makes us proud.best of luck to monica.
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There is a big difference.

Pete is a serve and volleyer. He wins a lot of free points off his serve and when he doesn't hit an ace, he comes to the net and finishes off the point quickly. Although I don't doubt that Pete has worked on his fitness, it's not that much really and you could tell by the way he looked at the end of the third set and during the fourth set, what Pete really needed was to have his serve working.

Monica, being one of the greatest ever, doesn't have such a huge weapon, she needs to work hard to win points which means she not only needs to be quick but also she needs to have stamina and that means a lot of hardwork. Not that Monica can't do that but the big question is, does she want to do it?
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if you look at what seles did last year when she was pretty fit,it shows you she can beat beat anybody...last year she beat hingis capriati serena...etc....i just believe monica in good shape can be right on top of the ball and fist a winner.

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Yes, she did beat Capriati and Martina in San Diego but fell short against Venus.
Beat Serena and Martina in Los Angeles but again fell short against Davenport.

Beat Jelena and Justine at the Canadian Open but couldn't keep it up against Serena.

to win a Grand Slam players need to beat 3 top player in a row normally, Monica can beat two but three?

And she only kept that kind of form for 3 tournaments.
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well last summer she was about 75 percent fit,think what she can do at 90-100 percent,those 2 matches can turn to 3...once again it is all about how hungry monica is to win her 10th grandslam.

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We are going back to the if's.

if Monica was 100% fit sound like wishful thinking to me now.

I have been waiting for Monica to get fully fit since 1995...

I have been waiting for Monica to schedule right since 1997...

I really don't think she will do now what she didn't do in the last 6 years.
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There is a big difference.

Pete is a serve and volleyer. He wins a lot of free points off his serve and when he doesn't hit an ace, he comes to the net and finishes off the point quickly.
That is the biggest difference and the reason why Pete won. Although he did play well from the baseline too against Agassi.

If you want to win slams 30+ you have to come into the net, finish points off quickly.

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fingon,if you listen to shriver or evert,they still believe she could win another slam....you are correct about the if's....but monica is starting to realize she is getting to the point where she realizes in order to win grand slams again she has to be fit....so lets go from there.

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Pete Sampras has a stomach like a washboard. Sure he was winded in the fourth set. He'd already gone to net 100 times! Serve-and-volley tennis is physically harder than playing on the baseline. The truth is, all the best male players are walking around with 4% body fat.

Put it this way. Pete Sampras is about the same amount overweight as Venus. And he looks it. Bodies differ, and I wouldn't expect Monica to get down to Venus/Daniela/Justine type slenderness. But she can certainly get down to Lindsay/Serena/Amelie type slenderness. If she wants to. And if she does, she could make life VERY difficult for Serena at RG. If she doesn't have to play Serena or Venus, she'll likely win. Actualy, at that weight, she'd probably beat Venus. Certainly the way Venus play at the US.

Monica is below 30. She can still take off weight the way a middle-aged person can't. But you have to want to. Think of all the people who call Monica 'fit' at her current weight. There's a big difference between 'fit' and 'peak performance'. Anyone who doesn't think Monica would win more if she were thirty pounds lighter never played high level sports. The lesser shocks on her joints alone would add years to the time she'd perform at a top ten level.

Martina Navratilova beat a top 20 player when she was 44. I cannot imagine Monica doing that. Monica will always give 100% effort, so you can't ever write her off. However, she does NOT give herself the best chance to win. Her best chance is 30 pounds lighter than she is now.

I'm not counting Monica out. However, to an extent, I feel she's counting herself out. She KNOWS she can't win a GS at her current weight, or even close to it.

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i think 30 pounds is too much volcana,15-20 more lbs would do....and she is too good not to go out with some more grand slams,she owes it to herself and her fans,to get in the best shape.

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Yeah if Monica can get to tip top fitness, she has a chance but like Fignon said it is easier for a serve volleyer with a huge serve to finish off points quicker. It seems Monica just doesn't get any free points anymore, certainly from Venus or Serena. Sampras played amazing 'zone' tennis and won about 45 or 50 free points (aces/unreturnable serves). Monica is going to need to not only dramatically improve her fitness to win a slam she also needs to improve her serve and toss to pressure the Venus/Serena/Davenport big servers. She also needs to move forward and take balls out of the air to shorten points and take advantage of her big groundies.

I hope Monica was watching today and got inspired by Pete and Andre. I think she was inspired by Jen Cap last year a bit.

I want Monica to spend the off season working out and start Australia fit, trim and ready to guts it out in the third set!
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fingon,if you listen to shriver or evert,they still believe she could win another slam....you are correct about the if's....but monica is starting to realize she is getting to the point where she realizes in order to win grand slams again she has to be fit....so lets go from there.
Shriver and Evert? is that your source of information?

Well well, Chrissie that thinks that a one-handed backhand is a liability on grass.

Pam Shriver that doesn't even watch the matches.

When you can tell me that Martina Navratilova says it, I could take it seriously.

I like Monica and I would love her to win another GS, but I don't think it will happen.
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fingon anything is possible,tennis is full of great stories...look at jenn she practically came from nowhere and won 3 grandslams.

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she can but once more I am not sure she wants it!

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irma,but if she doesn't want it why is she still playing.

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