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post #1 of 24 (permalink) Old Sep 8th, 2002, 07:17 PM Thread Starter
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Are Williams fans moving en masse onto Serena's bandwagon?

No. At least, not yet. The Serena's bandwagon has to be created first. So far, it has been one Williamses' bandwagon with Venus as the dominating figure. No need to dwell on the reasons why Venus was the lead. The numbers in terms of slams, trophies, earned moneys, business deals, were (some still are) in Venus's favor. And there is the power of being there first.

Now, we have two alternatives: we can split the family bandwagon and have one for Venus and one for Serena, or we can keep the same single bandwagon and have Serena as the leading figure. Many of us deep down have been toiling with the latter alternative. We are tennis lovers and could see Serena's potentials way back in 1999 when she got her first US Open. Williams Pop saw it way before that, but this is old story.

Serena up until this year was plagued with injuries, stomach sickness during matches and major mental blocks against top players and her sister. Then three things happened. First, a full-time trainer was hired to watch over training, nutrition, establish physical limits for these pushy Williams, and attend to any tears as early as possible before they progress into major ailments. Second, a good Summer and yearend last year (2001), to shed the mental blocks. Third, this is the big punch: the commitment at the beginning of this year to be number 1 by yearend, and the maturity to do it. The convergence of these three elements has meant success beyond belief. Williams fans were quick to notice that the "big sis little sis" dichotomy was being challenged. The comfort of Venus first, Serena second, was under attack. After RG, Wimbledon, many of us realized Venus had become the underdog. We were sadden and hoped for another Venus resurgence as we've seen many in the past.

Now, I'm going out on a limb to say that Serena has passed Venus for good. It's not unlike two rising curves where one (Serena's) starting later with a higher slope meets the other one (Venus's) and takes the lead while both are still rising. It has to do with basic biomechanics, basic instincts and basic deeply burried mental algorithms. When presure is on and the nerves are acting up, these basic elements come to the fore and take over. If you lead in them, you win the match, otherwise you lose. Training can and do help you improve on, or correct, these elements. But at time of major strains, the training may vanish. Venus has had problems with her first and second serves for years. If you look back at her match with Spirlea (1997) shown recently on tv, you can see she had the same biomechanics then as now. Diligent training has allowed her to make some improvements. When she's fully collected after deep breaths, she can bring on that training and deliver outstanding first serves; the last game against Momo at the semis is an example. Otherwise, she fails; refer to the match with Chanda and the final yesterday. The same argument can be made about her forehand which can fail when she's tired or over-stressed.

Serena, on the other hand, has better biomechanics on both the serve and the forehand. When the heat is on, these two parts of her game hold quite firmly. Also, psychologists will tell you that if you express your feelings outwards, you're more likely to clear up your mind than if you hold back and maintain the same game face all the way through. As such, you could say psychology favors Serena. Given that the rest of their games is pretty much even, ie, backhand, net performance, volley, defense, and by now mental strength, you can infer that Serena, overall, has the edge.

Now, are Williams fans going to create a Serena's bandwagon and move onto it en masse? I don't know. Certainly, I won't be the one to promote it. My current stand is for one Williamses' bandwagon with Serena at the lead and Venus right in there with the style, the charm, the elegance and posture that I deeply cherish. Venus is still way up there and her tank is far from empty.

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I am still comfy in the venus-followed-by-serena bandwagon. No reason to start jumping now.
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After wimbledon I had a feeling that many fans where cleary on the venusbandwagon, some where not very friendly towards serena that day! haven't read anything now though so maybe it calmed down a bit!

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As far as I am concerned there's only room on the Venus bandwagon for me :P

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Tennis Power - you make some fine points.

However, I would say that many detractors, naysayers and cynics of the Williams are jumping on "Serena's baandwagon". They seem to go by that old adage: If you can't beat'em, join'em.

I think Serena and Venus will fight it out for years to come to see who is the best. And I'm going to enjoy every minute of the journey.

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To me, most "Williams" fans are more fans of Venus than Serena. Serena is a close second. It was fine when Serena won the French because she "really deserved it" and it had been so long since her last victory. Then was Wimbledon, when Venus looked really good. Still they were silent over Serena's incredible win, figuring Venus would pull out the U.S. Open. But Venus looked a little scrappy at this tournament and it was no surprise when Serena won again. I think there will be a split among some fans, Serena is no longer lil' sis they enjoying seeing do well. She is now Venus' biggest rival, the woman who stops her from winning tournaments. This year, it was many tournaments. It will be interesting to see what comes of this. Serena was always the "better" player when playing her absolute best, but until this year, she wasn't able to do that at many tournaments. Venus has always been the more consistent one. Serena has picked up some consistency, though I think Venus was sub-par at this year's U.S. Open, and it was hard to see how well she was or wasn't playing at the French because she ended up with an incredibly easy draw. Will Serena be able to maintain her consistency? Will Venus up her game? Only time will tell. But there is not a large "Serena only" fan base. Maybe it will grow.

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there is not a large "Serena only" fan base. Maybe it will grow.
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many detractors, naysayers and cynics of the Williams are jumping on "Serena's bandwagon". They seem to go by that old adage: If you can't beat'em, join'em.
Yes, they will try to create that Serena's bandwagon and jump on it hoping to split the Williams fans. But those same detractors will have to struggle with their own arguments, as many of these arguments apply to both sisters.

Meanwhile, I'll ride on one Williamses' bandwagon with Serena as the established leading player and Venus, my heart favorite. Not the best situation, but the one Serena has forced me to assent to through her outstanding performance. I'll be happy, ... I think.

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I just wonder if this is what Richard had in mind when he was predicting his daughter's competing against each other at GS.

No one in the Williams family looked particularly happy last night, ie Oracene, Lyndrea, Richard, not even V & S.
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i have always and only been a fan of Serena. i dunno anything about this Williams bandwagon thing. i don't see why y'all have such difficulty separating the Sisters, and yet you get angry when non-fans make the same error...

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Sall gravy yall. Vee fans keep it tight n got Miz Gully back. Aint no thang cuz they show mad luv.
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Myself,I donot CARE ,as long as it"s a WILLIAMS AT THE END.IT"S the public going in circle,not the Williams sister.Venus is happy Serena finally getting here gravy.Rememmber, Serena will tell you,she benifit,from Venus in all ways.Lord this is a family affair,let"s get real.As long as it a Williams finale the whole family win.That it.Trully now this will make Venus go home and work hard,them who will take on the girls again.As i said ,before as long as its a Williams final,Iam HAPPYYYYYY.
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i have always and only been a fan of Serena. i dunno anything about this Williams bandwagon thing. i don't see why y'all have such difficulty separating the Sisters, and yet you get angry when non-fans make the same error...
- who has difficulty separating the Sisters?
- which error is that?

How come I have the feeling you're not too jubilant even though Serena won?

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As the unofficial chairman of the Williams Tennis Association, I am and will always will support both WILLIAMS.

I have always been on SERENA & VENUS' bandwagons.
I just like riding on VENUS' the most.

Go WILLIAMS!!

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1) I've only ever been on the Venus bandwagon, and I'm not switching.

2) NON-Williams fans will be jumping on the Serena bandwagon.

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Venus had more fans because she started dominating first. Now Serena has taken over, kicking Venus to the curb. Beating Venus at 3 GS in a row is dominance.
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