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post #1 of 6 (permalink) Old Sep 8th, 2002, 01:13 PM Thread Starter
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Dominance & History

Many people on this board seemed to have forgotten the important fact that Venus and Serena now have the exact same number of GS titles (4), and the exact same number of match victories against each other (5) in their careers. It should also be noted that Venus has more tournament wins in her career (27) than Serena (14), and that Venus has a higher percentage of matches won than Serena. In other words, as obviously impressive and dominant as Serena's record has been THIS YEAR, it is equally clear that based on their mutual career records Serena is by no means "dominant." That hasn't happened yet (and there's no guarantee that it will ever happen either). One year (or even two or three) does not a "dominant" career make. If you don't believe this obvious truth consider that from 1997-1999 Martina Hingis won 5 GS titles and Venus and Serena had NONE. Or that from 2000-2002 Venus had 4 GS titles and Serena only had ONE. There are many other examples as well, but the point is made. Until Serena truly moves away from the rest of the WTA in all the areas mentioned above it is far too early to assert that Serena is the dominant player in women's tennis (or even in her own family). She's had a dominant YEAR for sure, but things can, and most probably will, change. Assertions of dominance in any sport has to be measured over an ENTIRE CAREER before any rational final conclusions can be made about that player's position or status in history. So far the list of truly dominant players in women's tennis (as it is in all sports) is a very short one: Court, BJK, Evert, Navritilova, Seles, Graf. So before people start insisting on Serena's "dominance" and consigning Venus to the dustbin of history, I suggest they pay attention to the reality of what is going on instead of the hype. Let's see what develops in the next five years first before we declare such a premature victory on Serena's part (or anyone's else's for that matter), but SO FAR whether people like it or not Venus and Serena are still very much competing with EACH OTHER over career #1 status in the WTA and in their own household in the 21st century (e.g. the last three years). In fact, SO FAR Venus still has a slight edge. Frankly I'm betting on BOTH VENUS AND SERENA to become "dominant" in the next few years, the way both of them have since 1999, LOL
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post #2 of 6 (permalink) Old Sep 8th, 2002, 01:19 PM
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Oh please! Serena spanked Venus in 3 consecutive grandslam FINALS, do you even get it? Stop comparing them and finding excuses for Venus, Serena will ALWAYS be considered as a greater champion then Venus.

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Selesrules if venus isn't even a great player than your fave seles shouldn't even be considered a player!! i mean come on, she go spanked 9 times now by a player as crap as venus right??
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How would you or anyone else possibly know in advance that Serena will ALWAYS be considered "a greater champion" than Venus or anyone else? You DON'T KNOW so your blathering has nothing to do with the truth of the matter. The most anyone can possibly say is that this year Serena is "dominant". Was Serena "the best" or "dominant" from 1997-2001? Obviously not. Since no one could predict her future THEN, what makes you think you can predict her future NOW? But of course such logic would be lost on you since you typically ignore thought for biased and wildly inaccurate assertions. BTW: If you would actually read my post you will see that I didn't merely make a "comparison" between Venus or Serena. I pointed out the fact that one can't determine which one is "dominant" based on the performance record of ONE YEAR (as opposed to an entire career). Deal with the content of what I actually said instead of engaging in rank hyperbole about who will "ALWAYS" be considered one thing or the other.
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Monica in her peak years never lost like this, she always was able to beat Graf, Navratilova, Capriati, Sabatini, S.Vicario, Novotna and all the rest. However Venus is being humiliated at her PEAK.

So if Navratilova loses to the current players, does it mean that she sucks? NO. Monica dominated her generation, but Venus is being trashed in her own generation.
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post #6 of 6 (permalink) Old Sep 8th, 2002, 04:13 PM
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That's incredibly stupid point, SelesRules.
Evert and Navratilova went through periods of trashing each other.
Ditto Sampras and Agassi.
If Venus finds a way to beat Serena again, she'll equal it up.
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