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17-1 on clay this year, is she "Rafinara Nadafina"?

Dinara's results on the clay this season are 17-1 with impressive performances in Stuttgart, Rome, Madrid, and so far Paris. Is she on the way to being as dominant on clay as Nadal? She clearly has his work ethic, perfectionism, love of clay, and drive for constant improvement. She's not as superior on the surface yet as Nadal, but could she be?
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Re: 17-1 on clay this year, is she "Rafinara Nadafina"?

No, She has a long way to go. You cant even think about that level rather compare Nadal jus has to win a US Open to become the GOAT.

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Re: 17-1 on clay this year, is she "Rafinara Nadafina"?

The thread isn't about whether Dinara is the GOAT, it's whether she has the potential to become as dominant on clay as Nadal.
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Re: 17-1 on clay this year, is she "Rafinara Nadafina"?

Well Sharapova and Dementieva almost beat her on clay last year and Ana was able to take care of her quite efficiently in the RG final last year. I think there's your answer.

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Re: 17-1 on clay this year, is she "Rafinara Nadafina"?

She hasn't even won the French Open yet.
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Well Sharapova and Dementieva almost beat her on clay last year and Ana was able to take care of her quite efficiently in the RG final last year. I think there's your answer.
Thats the past. Now shes number one. Big diff.
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She hasn't even won the French Open yet.
she's won Roma, Berlin, and Madrid. 3 big titles, but I agree she's not even in HENIN category much less Nadal/Evert territory until she wins the big one.

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Re: 17-1 on clay this year, is she "Rafinara Nadafina"?

If she wins the slam, I think this conversation can begin. 17-1 is impressive though.
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Re: 17-1 on clay this year, is she "Rafinara Nadafina"?

Lets wait and see... she has to win FO first and then we can talk about being great

As of/for this year, yes she's been the best on clay and no one comes even close.
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Re: 17-1 on clay this year, is she "Rafinara Nadafina"?

Simply put, no. Nadal's game is tailor made for clay. He has a heavy, heavy topspin lefty forehand that forces righty opponents to hit super high backhands on the run--physically one of the hardest shots in tennis. The clay exasperates the high bounce of his topspin and also rewards him more for his unusual speed, since he has even more time to get to and then set up his shots, making it near impossible for his opponents to hit winners. Clay has also traditionally masked his big weakness--the serve (particularly the second) since, again, it is harder to hit winning shots on clay, so having a big serve doesn't matter as much (and quick players like Nadal can get to a lot of the second serve returns that would be winners on other surfaces).

Dinara doesn't even move particularly great on the clay. She is comfortable, to be sure, but her game should be better suited for fast surfaces that reward her power.

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Simply put, no. Nadal's game is tailor made for clay. He has a heavy, heavy topspin lefty forehand that forces righty opponents to hit super high backhands on the run--physically one of the hardest shots in tennis. The clay exasperates the high bounce of his topspin and also rewards him more for his unusual speed, since he has even more time to get to and then set up his shots, making it near impossible for his opponents to hit winners. Clay has also traditionally masked his big weakness--the serve (particularly the second) since, again, it is harder to hit winning shots on clay, so having a big serve doesn't matter as much (and quick players like Nadal can get to a lot of the second serve returns that would be winners on other surfaces).

Dinara doesn't even move particularly great on the clay. She is comfortable, to be sure, but her game should be better suited for fast surfaces that reward her power.
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Re: 17-1 on clay this year, is she "Rafinara Nadafina"?

Oh, and I think she will continue to be dominant on clay and has a great chance to win several RGs. But that's not because she's an excellent clay court player. It's just that the majority of the WTA has no clue how to play on this surface.

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Simply put, no. Nadal's game is tailor made for clay. He has a heavy, heavy topspin lefty forehand that forces righty opponents to hit super high backhands on the run--physically one of the hardest shots in tennis. The clay exasperates the high bounce of his topspin and also rewards him more for his unusual speed, since he has even more time to get to and then set up his shots, making it near impossible for his opponents to hit winners. Clay has also traditionally masked his big weakness--the serve (particularly the second) since, again, it is harder to hit winning shots on clay, so having a big serve doesn't matter as much (and quick players like Nadal can get to a lot of the second serve returns that would be winners on other surfaces).

Dinara doesn't even move particularly great on the clay. She is comfortable, to be sure, but her game should be better suited for fast surfaces that reward her power.
This is where the wta and atp is so different. It never ceases to amaze me when commnetators say the williams power is nullified on clay but it is still power players dominating the surface anyway, Look at Dinara, Ana is a defending champiion

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Oh, and I think she will continue to be dominant on clay and has a great chance to win several RGs. But that's not because she's an excellent clay court player. It's just that the majority of the WTA has no clue how to play on this surface.
Ivanovic, Kuznetsova, and the Willies KNOW how to play, it's just a matter of being consistent on an inconsistent surface (which Henin did EXTREMELY well).

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