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Mandatory Events - The Best Idea?

Is it only me who thinks that the mandatory events this year on the WTA Tour have sucked? I'm a fan of women's tennis so I am not trying to bash it but look:

Indian Wells: - Williams sisters don't show up; Jankovic, Dementieva, Safina and Kuznetsova all crash out very early; boring semi finals; horrific (OK, so it was very windy) final. Many players evidently didn't want to show up for this event and it showed - I didn't see one good-quality match.

Miami: - Serena gets injured and the final is dull - between two shriekers. Many plauyers again lose early. Tennis better quality than IW, but not by much.

Madrid: - Most of the seeds (including WS, Kuznetsova, Dementieva, Azarenka) crash out; pushers like Wozniacki and Bondarenko make it to the QF, most of the matches just boring UE fests. Only entertaining one is Mauresmo.

I have seen some good WTA Tour matches this season, it's just not one of these has come from the Mandatory Events and I think it's time the WTA gives up this idea and moves back to the old Tier I-II-III-IV system as that was much better. THe new scheduling for WTA tournaments is crappy also IMO. You get loads of tournaments which everyone plays in in one massive block and then you have to wait for ages before the next big clump of tourneys comes along.

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i think it creates an immediate resentment of the tourn from some players because it kind of means they can't do their own schedules exactly how they want it.
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Let's just see how this year pans out.
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It's just the way it is nowadays. It's not the system / roadmap. It's the top players nowadays are often not good enough to make it through and they are often playing hard matches because the standard in the women's game is much deeper nowadays.

I mean we've hardly had a good match at the FO for years. And we had top players crashing out early at last years' Wimbledon and RG. But no-one seriously advocates not calling those tournament slams.

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Jankovic-Ivanovic was pretty good at last year's FO IMO.

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This is just first year of new roadmap.
It works great for years in ATP, so no reasons to believe that will sucks at WTA.

and I'm not even fan of Ana Ivanovic... just an objective observer who realize how perfect she is

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Mandatory Events is a way to make players play. yet logically and realistically nobody can make a player play a tennis match. I think the idea is ridiculous.

Players, can and will get on aplane and withdraw and retire and tank. To conserve energy and money in the wallets.

The idea is dumb, because it's has many loopholes that players will only take advantage of and get around. If the system wants to beat you, then by any means necessary beat the sytem.

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I think the idea is good, but the implementation is far from perfect. I believe there is an issue with scheduling. There are mandatory events and events that traditionally drew a lot good players even though they are not mandatory this year. They seem to plotted on the timeline in bunches and it frustrates the players. Whoever planned the schedule did not do a good job.

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The events seem to come in waves... Agree with the above
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only bad rule WTA have done is
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only bad rule WTA have done is
for top 10 they cannot withdraw from any P5 or any Premier event they have entered or they get a 0 Pointer on their best 16 for 52 weeks.
You don't think that's a small price to pay for the increase in prize money? I do.

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I don't like mandatories, but I have seen a few matches from Madrid, and most have actually been quite good.

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Mandatory Events is a way to make players play. yet logically and realistically nobody can make a player play a tennis match. I think the idea is ridiculous.

Players, can and will get on aplane and withdraw and retire and tank. To conserve energy and money in the wallets.

The idea is dumb, because it's has many loopholes that players will only take advantage of and get around. If the system wants to beat you, then by any means necessary beat the sytem.
Players who hate the roadmap or the schedule can tank. But they don't have to. The men can play high quality tennis year round even though they hate to do so. The women I think simply are not consistent enough with their level of play, and that the lower tier of players are more capable of beating the top players than ever before.



Also mandatories are absolutely necessary. No mandatories means not enough players will show up. If they dont show up, spectators wont show up. Then sponsors pull out, the tour is downsized, prize money decreases thus less players on tour leading to less interest in womens tennis and even less sponsors, and eventually the end of women's tennis as a sport.

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The problem is it's a trade-off between flexibility for the players and the size of the purse ($$$). Only by getting the top players at the bigger tourneys can the organizers raise the revenue to pay the higher prize money that the players want. It's a partnership in that regard --- hence the revenue sharing that players get who make all the required events. Sponsors, advertisers, tv contracts, municipalities, and vendors all pay more money if more fans come to the event, and more fans come to the event if they expect more lower seeds such as 1-10. The WTA also needs to distribute the known players among the mid-level tourneys so they all stay financially viable, thus the 4/5 premiers.

In short, the players agreed to give up some of their flexibility in order to get a shot at much larger paydays. They may well collectively decide to go back to smaller prize money and more freedom after a trial with the Roadmap.

It makes sense that more top seeds will go out on the lower rounds of big events --- just on probability alone, there are more matches so more chances for flukes, young upstarts, or bad days. Plus all the best players are there compared to the MM tourneys, so tougher competition. And if the field is deep, there may be little meaningful difference between a player ranked 8th and one who is 20th. What looks like an upset (by comparing ranking alone) may actually not be one.

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I think the idea is good, but the implementation is far from perfect. I believe there is an issue with scheduling. There are mandatory events and events that traditionally drew a lot good players even though they are not mandatory this year. They seem to plotted on the timeline in bunches and it frustrates the players. Whoever planned the schedule did not do a good job.
Agreed, this is a big problem. It's insane to have 2 premier mandatory events (IW and Miami) back-to-back, and then premier Rome one week before mandatory Madrid, which is just before a Slam. Yet other months are lightly scheduled such as Feb-March. My guess is that the tourney sites don't have much flexibility to drastically move their dates. There's got to be good reasons for this bunching and skipping pattern, or else the WTA would have solved it already.
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In short, the players agreed to give up some of their flexibility in order to get a shot at much larger paydays. They may well collectively decide to go back to smaller prize money and more freedom after a trial with the Roadmap.
That's all that really needs to be said about the subject. Moderators, you can lock this thread now.

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