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Roadmap - Your Thoughts So Far?

ok so 4 months into the 'roadmap' what are your thoughts. the roadmap promissed us the best players playing each other more often, has it worked? with 2 of the 4 mandatories down, dubai and charleston, have you seen improvement on last year or previous years.

for me personaly i see no improvement on last year, injuries are still rife, we have had razzano and lisicki in big tournament finals which just dosen't cut it for me. also i think we will have many players break the top 10 this year as it seems easier to plan a schedule to win a lot of matches when not top 10.

the big tournaments have been few and far between with many 'wasted' weeks (im holding out hope the run of big tournaments on red clay will get things going a bit more) but i think this is contributing to top player up and down form, as they are playing so little they don't have chance to get 'on a roll' as it were.

anyway what are your thoughts?

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Re: Roadmap - Your Thoughts So Far?

Lets wait until some other big tournaments come along, although IW and Miami were awful for obvious reasons, but I think it was down to the players more than the map.
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Re: Roadmap - Your Thoughts So Far?

I don't think it's any worse. Serena and Venus not playing IW hurt, but I don't blame them obviously. I just don't think there are many good players right now.

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Re: Roadmap - Your Thoughts So Far?

i wasn't going to mention quality, but its been crap which i think is also down to the stop startness of the roadmap, players just not playing enough weeks to be grooved.

we're over a 1/3 of the way through, i thought now would be a good time to reflect given the red clay season starts in a week.

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Re: Roadmap - Your Thoughts So Far?

Too early to tell, really. Being able to count only the top 16 tourneys will prevent a player from racking up lots of points by playing 22+ a year. Plus it helps those players who were worried about playing too much and getting injured. And limiting the top players from playing the lower tier events creates a kind of 'farm camp' for newcomers, which is good. In concept, it should help the bigger events get the best field, but seems a little clunky. Like all big changes, it will need fine tuning. Give it some time, then decide.

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The new pointless Bali event is another one of Larry Scotts many unforced errors as CEO. He should be encouraging the players outside the top 8 to strive to make it into the top 8 and rightfully earn their place at the lucrative proper YEC at Doha by being the best players throughtout the whole season.

As it is he's basically rewarding the second tier players for winning MM tournaments that aren't good enough to be amongst the elite players on the tour with a big paycheque. What will winning this tournament actually mean anyway to the individual? that they're the best player outside of the elite players on the tour? not anything worth being remembered for thats for sure at the end of their careers. The international events are already good enough to be considered stepping stones in a players career as they are. If its supposed to show us who the future stars are what is the point? the real future stars will rise to the top eventually themselves.

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To me, this is the same as 2008 but the real answer(s) will come during the USO Series.

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I never liked the idea of it, and so far the WTA are not getting the big name matchups they were probably hoping for in their finals. The worst thing about Roadmap like Sammy said is the wasted weeks thing. Take February for example, usually there were 4 or 5 straight big tournaments with top players playing against each other, all in between the AO and IW-Miami (that was Tokyo, Paris, Antwerp, Doha, Dubai). This year all we got was Paris & Dubai to last the whole month. Venus ended up going all the way to Acapulco, Zvonareva to Pattaya, Azarenka & Wozniacki to Memphis etc. and the rest just didn't play. Sorry it just doesn't make sense to me. And the thing is, players are still getting injured, quality of tennis has not changed and we are just getting less tennis than before. Then when we finally get to see the top players together again for IW-Miami, most of them get upset early!


However, like any true tennis fan, I just want to see good tennis. I don't care if Lisicki won Charleston instead of a top player, her run this week was so much fun to follow. But I won't bet on her doing it again for a while. The inconsistency in all of the top players is not good for the game, and you have to feel the new scheduling is partly contributing to that.


That all said, this season has still been enjoyable so far with many different names doing well, breakthrough runs/storylines. But it needs to happen at the same time. I hope it all comes together for the RG-Wimbledon month but with so much inconsistency right now you just don't know. The person who wins Stuttgart or Madrid will probably lose 1R of the French for all we know.
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Not hideous.

The Indian Wells thing is a walking disaster, but you couldn't put off implementing something that would improve the finanacial health of the tour until the Williams Sisters were gone. When your house is burning down, you don't hold off calling the fire department for fear people will find out your lawn has crabgrass.

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Re: Roadmap - Your Thoughts So Far?

I still think some tournies are in the wrong place in the calender but the concept is good.
Not saying V and S should or shouldn't have played IW, but the fact they didn't in the roadmap didn't help its cause.
Also, for Charleston to get a cut off of 130 or whatever for a Premier I wouldn't have thought would be desirable or helped the Roadmap cause.

Also think the no more than 1 top 10'er for a International event is ?? and I don't really get the get extra $$ and you can have them....but points are still awarded as a internationl? ANd regardless if you are defedning chmap or played there evbery year, if you are ranked below the other Top 10'er you miss out (the Radawanska situ in Pattaya)
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I never liked the idea of it, and so far the WTA are not getting the big name matchups they were probably hoping for in their finals. The worst thing about Roadmap like Sammy said is the wasted weeks thing. Take February for example, usually there were 4 or 5 straight big tournaments with top players playing against each other, all in between the AO and IW-Miami (that was Tokyo, Paris, Antwerp, Doha, Dubai). This year all we got was Paris & Dubai to last the whole month. Venus ended up going all the way to Acapulco, Zvonareva to Pattaya, Azarenka & Wozniacki to Memphis etc. and the rest just didn't play. Sorry it just doesn't make sense to me. And the thing is, players are still getting injured, quality of tennis has not changed and we are just getting less tennis than before. Then when we finally get to see the top players together again for IW-Miami, most of them get upset early!


However, like any true tennis fan, I just want to see good tennis. I don't care if Lisicki won Charleston instead of a top player, her run this week was so much fun to follow. But I won't bet on her doing it again for a while. The inconsistency in all of the top players is not good for the game, and you have to feel the new scheduling is partly contributing to that.


That all said, this season has still been enjoyable so far with many different names doing well, breakthrough runs/storylines. But it needs to happen at the same time. I hope it all comes together for the RG-Wimbledon month but with so much inconsistency right now you just don't know. The person who wins Stuttgart or Madrid will probably lose 1R of the French for all we know.
this is exactly how i feel on the roadmap, only you put it so much better, you're annoyingly articulate lol

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this is exactly how i feel on the roadmap, only you put it so much better, you're annoyingly articulate lol
Give yourself credit, the "wasted weeks" thing was all your idea
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The Roadmap doesn't work because most top players sucks at the moment.
So, instead of having a Jelena vs Venus showdown, the night session of the QFs will be like Llagostera Vives vs Medina Garrigues. On hard.
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Re: Roadmap - Your Thoughts So Far?

It seems all the tournaments have at least 2 to 3 top names now which is good, but i just don't like the limit to the number of top players per tournament. I think there should be a minimum of top players but no maximum.



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Re: Roadmap - Your Thoughts So Far?

By the way, Charleston is just a Premier tournament, not mandatory at all, it just has raised prize money(and not points).
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