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Players become specialized as they mature?

late in their careers-

Justine - Clay Courts (despite being rather good on other surfaces early in career)

Kim- Hardcourts (having been good on all surfaces before and hates RG while she has all the tools to win there)

Venus-Grass (having been good on all surfaces before)

Serena - Hardcourts and Grass(having been good on all surfaces before)

Maria- Hardcourts(although it is still early in her career you just feel like she is becoming big on Hardcourts despite winning wimbledon

Davenport- Grass(She had good hardcourt results as well, but even lindz really thought that was her best chance and it IS/WAS)

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Re: Players become specialized as they mature?

I would almost say, rather, that their specialty finds them. Venus Williams, in 1999, won Hamburg, and Rome, beating Hingis, Sanchez-Vicario and Pierce along the way. Is she really that different a player? In a way, probably. She's had ten years of practicing certain things, and clearly those things resulted in a player that was designed to win Wimbledon, not Roland Garros.

All players have styles and practice habits, and of course, genetics. What they are at age 18 doesm't always indicate what they'll be at age 26.

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Re: Players become specialized as they mature?

Can you really be a hard court specialist? And as for Davenport, I don't think it was written in stone before Wimbledon 2005 that it was her best shot at another slam. Most people would have probably thought the two hard court slams were. And let's not forget she also made the Australian open final that year and came pretty close to winning that, also.

As for the other players I don't think it's as much becoming specialized as much as it is players becoming more comfortable on surfaces they find the most amount of success on.
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Can you really be a hard court specialist? And as for Davenport, I don't think it was written in stone before Wimbledon 2005 that it was her best shot at another slam. Most people would have probably thought the two hard court slams were. And let's not forget she also made the Australian open final that year and came pretty close to winning that, also.

As for the other players I don't think it's as much becoming specialized as much as it is players becoming more comfortable on surfaces they find the most amount of success on.
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Re: Players become specialized as they mature?

Davenport herself thought her best chance was at wimbledon. She really didn't put much effort on Clay(even though she really was so close to winning it)

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Re: Players become specialized as they mature?

Clay was actually Justine's worst surface on 2006, 2007 and 2008 (her final years). Her record in her last three years:

1º) Grass 19-2 (90,48%)
2º) Hard 78-11 (89,65%)
3º) Clay 29-4 (87,88%)

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Clay was actually Justine's worst surface on 2006, 2007 and 2008 (her final years). Her record in her last three years:

1º) Grass 19-2 (90,48%)
2º) Hard 78-11 (89,65%)
3º) Clay 29-4 (87,88%)
Sorry, but her French Open record was awesome late in her career and she clearly showed she was the best on clay... and Grass being last

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Razzano. Miserable clay results, frequently finds herself out early on grass.
That's just mediocrity. Hard courts are the standard, any player should be able to play their game on one since they take up about 75% of the season.
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Re: Players become specialized as they mature?

By the latter stages of her career Henin was at her best on all surfaces. She was the best player of the 06-07 grasscourt seasons, she won the US Open in great fashion, her winning streak lasted over the whole hardcourt + indoor seasons in 07. Of course she was at her most devastating on clay during that time too. I don't see your point on Henin here, she was at her best on non-clay surfaces by the END of her career.

Davenport had a good hardcourt run in 04 and arguably should have won that USO. I feel she was just as good on hard than she was on grass. Indoors was probably where she was her most dangerous.
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Re: Players become specialized as they mature?

Henin was never a clay court specialist. She was just as good on hardcourt and grass, it's just that nobody else knew how to play on clay, she was far and above the best clay courter out there. Serena was never as good on clay as she was on grass/hardcourts. Venus has always been amazing on grass, and not as good on clay. I don't think they've matured into surface specialists, just better players.

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Re: Players become specialized as they mature?

Davenport had so many bad moments like the rain at wimbledon.. such bad luck.. she is one of the best of the generation

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