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Defining 'Dominant': 13 Slam Finals in a Row

RG '87 - RG '90, winning nine of them.


That might not be unprecented. I didn't go back before 1950 when I checking. But if you do something in tennis that Billie Jean King, Margaret Court, Chris Evert, and Martina Navratilova didn't do, you're a halfway decent player.

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RG '87 - RG '90, winning nine of them.


That might not be unprecented. I didn't go back before 1950 when I checking. But if you do something in tennis that Billie Jean King, Margaret Court, Chris Evert, and Martina Navratilova didn't do, you're a halfway decent player.
Helen Wills reached and won 10 grand slam finals between 1927-30 from 13 possible grand slams. The 3 she didn't were the 3 she didn't play in Australia.

9/13 (4 losses) or 10/13 (3 DNP)? I'll take the latter. Thanks.

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Steffi is GOAT

That stat is great, but Im still upset she never got the Double Steffi Slam

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Helen Wills reached and won 10 grand slam finals between 1927-30 from 13 possible grand slams. The 3 she didn't were the 3 she didn't play in Australia.

9/13 (4 losses) or 10/13 (3 DNP)? I'll take the latter. Thanks.
Feel free. Too bad she made the choice not to play. We'll never know if she would have won those three tournaments, or lost in the first round. We KNOW what Graf did.

Personally, I always remember to include Wills Moody on my list of all-time greats, because I don't revere the Open Era as definitively better than the pre-Open era. (Perhaps a discussion for another time.)

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Too bad she made the choice not to play.
cos it was so easy to travel to Australia back in 1920s
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omg why do we keep going back to these times? we all know what the level of competition was like, geeeeeeez

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Defining "Frustrating" Three straight Slam semis, and NO finals. But I digress.

Sure, the competition in the Pre-Open era wasn't as good as in the Open era. The players didn't have the time, the equipment, the training techniques or the financial resources to prepare the way pros do. For that matter, neither did the players of the '70s and '80s compared to the players of today.

Still, they were playing the best competitors they could. Winning one of the slams was the gateway to having a "pro" career (such as it was in those days). My old man still insist Don Budge could beat anybody playing today*--and Budge was ranked #1 as both an amatuer and a pro. And he wasn't the only one (Bobby Riggs succeeded him in both categories, as I recall).

Give the old-timers their props. Given what they were up against, winning majors was just as hard as it is for the modern players. Send Serena back in time--we'll hypothetically assume that racism is not an issue--she'd succeed. Bring Helen Wills Moody forward, put her on a modern regimen, etc., she'd succeed. Because they have the hearts and minds of champions.

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cos it was so easy to travel to Australia back in 1920s
So what you're saying is that winning OZ and any other slam was HARDER then than it is today. After all, it's a 24 hour plane trip NOW. Couple weeks on a boat? Kinda makes what Margaret Court did seem greater by comparison, doesn't it?

Things were different when Wills Moody and Lengeln played, than when Connollu played, than when Court played ....

Exactly how much did sexism limit them? How do you quantify that? I can as easily make the argument that when Wills Moody did was harder than what Evert did. Society wasn't exactly approving of female athletss in the 1920's.

Ever try to figure out what fighting homophobia cost Navratilova? Call me when you figure that out. Yet the fact that it DID have some kind of affect is undeniable.

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Steffi,one and only!!!
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Graf is still second to Navratilova.
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volcana seriously needs to go outside and breath fresh air, she LIVES in this forum.
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RG '87 - RG '90, winning nine of them.


That might not be unprecented. I didn't go back before 1950 when I checking. But if you do something in tennis that Billie Jean King, Margaret Court, Chris Evert, and Martina Navratilova didn't do, you're a halfway decent player.
That's nowhere's near as impressive as what Helen Wills Moody did. She made the finals of the last SEVENTEEN majors that she played and won SIXTEEN of them, and FOURTEEN of them in a row. Now that's dominance.

And what Maureen Connolly did was also more impressive. She won the last NINE majors that she played and would have likely continued that streak had it not been for her accident.

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Steffi is a legend .
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^^^ Ditto, a GIANT OF THE GAME

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