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Andy Murray is a role model for women's tennis

I like this article

It brings up a lot of things we've been discussing here recently:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle5957363.ece

The Times Tennis Correspondent hears that the fairer sex could do worse than incorporate some elements of the British No1's game into their own

Incorporating some facets of Andy Murray's richly-varied groundstoke game into their own could rid us of the robotic sameness of so much of women's tennis, according to Ray Moore
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Andy Murray as a role model for women's tennis! The suggestion was made to the Net Post by Ray Moore, the president of PM Sports Management, and an instrumental figure in turning the BNP Paribas Open in Indian Wells from a dusty dream over 35 years ago into one of the sparkliest gems in the tennis tiara. Breakfast with Charlie Pasarell, the tournament chairman and Ray is a last-day tradition in the desert, a chance to pick the brains of and listen to words of wisdom from two men with a century of devotion to the sport as players, politicians and passionate advocates.

Their drive in extolling the virtues of tennis in this panoramic neck of the woods has embellished the position of a championship that mixes the highest calibre of competition with the finest views that tennis can provide (bar perhaps, the Mediterranean Sea on a clear day in Monte Carlo) but does not feel the need to shout from the rooftops how good it is. And it is good. This year alone, it will bring some $250 million into the coffers of the Coachella Valley, the single most important event staged around these parts.

The two men are animated whenever they discuss tennis but it was when asked about what he felt about the 21-year-old Scot that Moore opened up memorably. His grouse was the sameness of so much of the women's game, now that Justine Henin has retired, Amelie Mauresmo wins fitfully (though she did triumph in the Open de Gaz in Paris last month), Martina Hingis has long gone and Martina Navratilova's style went out with the Ark. Moore, and many others, despair of the robotic similarity of so much of the higher echelon of the women's game and of those pressing behind. It is production line tennis.

Moore waxes lyrical about Murray. "When you see him, it's fabulous. He plays short and then he plays long. The one thing I don't like about the women's game today, is that they are like clones.They go left, right, left, right, bang, bang, bang. I don't see any of the women playing a short shot, playing a dropshot, playing a loop. I see Murray out of position, and he plays sort of a high topspin, like the Moon Ball Twins (Harold Solomon and Eddie Dibbs) who used these high things to get back into position. He's not slapping it when he's out of position. I really think the women could learn a lot from him if they took part of those elements there and incorporated them into their games.

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"I'm so impressed with Murray because he plays in a very unusual way from the rest of the guys on the tour. He changes the pace from shot to shot, he'll play a roll backhand and then he'll play a slice, then he'll play it long, they he'll hit it, and then he'll come in. He's one of those true, natural talents. And the thing that's you really have to take note on, is he's unbelievably quick. That's what allows him to do these things that he does. And great hands. How about the winner he hit off (Roger) Federer's smash? It wasn't like he was 10 feet behind the baseline. He moved in 10 feet, Federer nailed the smash, and he half volleyed it for the winner. How many people can do that?" Eloquent praise indeed for the British No.1.

Murray has thrived in the desert and the tournament continues to thrive for itself, something quite rare in these parlous financial times, when sponsoring sport is not on the high priority list for chief executive officers seeking to balance the company books. Were Moore and Pasarell not a mite concerned that getting in bed with a bank, in this case BNP Paribas, might dit uneasily with public perception? Nonsense, Moore replied. "We are proud to have BNP Paribas here. Before Charlie and I went to a third meeting with them in Paris, they had been here twice before. They came here on a really beautiful summer day.

"Finally we did go to Paris, and the day we made our presentation was September 15, the day Lehman Brothers went under. When we walked into the room, the BNP Paribas people said that if we hadn't flown this far they wouldn't have met with us because this was the worst day in banking history since 1929. That's how we started the final meeting. But tennis is the only sport they sponsor. They've had every single sport knocking on their door, but they've stayed with tennis, because firstly, they love the sport; secondly, the demographics work for them. They wanted to be our partner."

Moore would have been delighted had BNP Paribas signed a three year deal with a three year option. They came back and said to him they would sign for ten years, five down and five on approval. The deal was signed there and then. And what a boon it has been.
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I'd much rather ball bashers to murray any day :barf:

What has murray accomplished with that passive game? How many majors??
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Fair and thought provoking comments. Forgot to mention that a lot of the men could learn something from him as well, Federer for one.

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(1)A lot is being made of the record Serena has vs Sharapova. It is being used as THE reason she will win again lol. Good thing we have players like Tomas Berdych (who had an even worse record vs Nadal) to remind us of the fallacy of this nonsense logic.
(2)You stans may as well sleep well tonight because tomorrow the a replay of Lucie's winning moment over and over again will haunt your dreams for weeks to come
(3)The stars have aligned perfectly for the upset of the 21st century. All the best Garbine
(4) There is no path to victory for Williams.Keys wins in straight easy sets.
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bullshit...

there is a lot of thwacking the ball left/right/left/right in men's too! And to suggest there is no variety is beyond crap. Has this guy ever watched a WTA match???
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Rubbish. Andy could learn something from MyRena.
If he's comparing him to anyone, maybe he should suggest Andy's style of play
to other male players. I feel as though a player should do what is best for him/her
and if that means "sameness" then that's what it means.

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Fair and thought provoking comments. Forgot to mention that a lot of the men could learn something from him as well, Federer for one.
Puhleese, Federer does not need to learn anything from Andy Murray. Yes he has a winning record against Fed but that does not make him more accomplished or better, just a good match up compared to others.

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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle5957363.ece
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bullshit...

there is a lot of thwacking the ball left/right/left/right in men's too! And to suggest there is no variety is beyond crap. Has this guy ever watched a WTA match???
Sadly, he is completely 100% on the spot. If you watched tennis before the "power" era then you know that today's game is pathetically one dimensional and often times hideous.

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Puhleese, Federer does not need to learn anything from Andy Murray. Yes he has a winning record against Fed but that does not make him more accomplished or better, just a good match up compared to others.

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That was kinda my point, Federer has a lot more game than Murray. Federer's head is not in the right place. Murray has matured from a whiney brat into a tennis champion who has been able to beat Federer and Nadal back to back. Federer could learn a lot from Andy Murray in terms of maturing from the whiney sore-loser he is.

My underlying point was that there's a lot more to tennis than the actual game and technique. I was trying to override the quasi-elitist, sadly cliched, 'beautiful tennis' undertone of the article.

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(1)A lot is being made of the record Serena has vs Sharapova. It is being used as THE reason she will win again lol. Good thing we have players like Tomas Berdych (who had an even worse record vs Nadal) to remind us of the fallacy of this nonsense logic.
(2)You stans may as well sleep well tonight because tomorrow the a replay of Lucie's winning moment over and over again will haunt your dreams for weeks to come
(3)The stars have aligned perfectly for the upset of the 21st century. All the best Garbine
(4) There is no path to victory for Williams.Keys wins in straight easy sets.
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Sadly, he is completely 100% on the spot. If you watched tennis before the "power" era then you know that today's game is pathetically one dimensional and often times hideous.
What is the power era?

Since they started using graphite racquets in the early 80's? That's when power and athletic ability became predominant in tennis at the expense of the 'oh-my-gosh-that-lob-was-simply-breathtaking' days.

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(1)A lot is being made of the record Serena has vs Sharapova. It is being used as THE reason she will win again lol. Good thing we have players like Tomas Berdych (who had an even worse record vs Nadal) to remind us of the fallacy of this nonsense logic.
(2)You stans may as well sleep well tonight because tomorrow the a replay of Lucie's winning moment over and over again will haunt your dreams for weeks to come
(3)The stars have aligned perfectly for the upset of the 21st century. All the best Garbine
(4) There is no path to victory for Williams.Keys wins in straight easy sets.
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British press can be so annoying sometimes
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There is a lot of validity to the assertion that many women on the WTA would benefit from not attempting to hit ridiculous winners when they are out of position.
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The only role model Andy Murray should be is to scare young boys into why haircuts are important.

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It can, but to be fair this opinion is coming from Americans involved in IW, not a Brit.

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Sadly, he is completely 100% on the spot. If you watched tennis before the "power" era then you know that today's game is pathetically one dimensional and often times hideous.
It's so much better than Arantxa's boring ass game.
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