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What a STUPID Article By Martin Rogers

Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:26 pm EDT

Indian Wells boycott hurts Williamses more than it helps
By Martin Rogers


INDIAN WELLS, Calif. – One of the longest tournament boycotts in tennis history is now in danger of becoming one of the most self-defeating.

For the past eight years Venus and Serena Williams have refused to play at Indian Wells, in the event now known as the BNP Paribas Open. What began as a point of principle has morphed into a million-dollar decision and with each passing season it becomes more apparent that the biggest losers in this issue are the Williamses, not the tournament they hope to detract from.


The root of the dispute is the 2001 tournament, when the superstar sisters were fiercely booed by an angry crowd when Venus defaulted to Serena, citing a bout of tendinitis. This was moments before they were due to square off in an eagerly awaited semifinal – in front of a packed crowd and a national TV audience.

When Serena emerged for her final against Kim Clijsters two days later, she was targeted by the crowd, causing father Richard Williams to shake his fist furiously and call for security as he sat in the stands.

Richard Williams claimed he and his family had been subjected to racial abuse, even invoking the name of Martin Luther King Jr. and the demons of another era. He and his daughters have never ventured back to the Californian desert.


Estimates of how much the first family of women's tennis is surrendering by staying away from Indian Wells for the past two weeks range between $1 million and $4 million. (who cares about the money)

Serena, as world No. 1, will potentially miss out more, forfeiting her share of a $1.9 million bonus pool for skipping this event – one of four mandatory WTA Tour competitions.

Yet it is in terms of reputation where the Williams sisters give up the most. Consensus in the tennis world is that eight years should be long enough for wounds to close, especially regarding a situation that is still shrouded by so much doubt and mystery.

Time has not healed wounds, far from it. Indeed, the passing years have merely served to escalate the issue into something greater, and a resolution may be further away now than ever before.

The Williams clan flies solo in its claims of racial abuse; there were no reports made to tournament officials about such behavior at the time. Nearby patrons and security staff expressed surprise when informed of Mr. Williams' remarks.

On the surface it appears as though an apology from Indian Wells would surely be enough to smooth out the differences. But what exactly would the tournament be apologizing for?

"Venus and Serena know they are welcome here and the fans would love to see them," said tournament director Steve Simon. "We would be delighted if they decide to play in future years – if not, then they will deal with the repercussions."

The Williams boycott is discussed every year, but took on extra significance this time around. The WTA Tour's 2009 Roadmap program has a provision to punish leading players for skipping “mandatory” events such as Indian Wells, Miami, Madrid and Beijing.

Under the program, Venus and Serena must perform promotional duties for the 2010 BNP Paribas Open or face a fine and expulsion from next year's Miami tournament. They already miss out on the bonus pool and receive a zero-point ranking for Indian Wells.

If the duo is hoping to hurt the tournament then the plan is not really working. (They never said that YOU FOOL)

Despite a difficult economy, attendance until the middle of the tournament’s second week had increased about 8,000 from 2008. TV ratings also were strong, helped by the continued progress of Rafael Nadal, Roger Federer and home favorite Andy Roddick. (What about the women)

Simon and the tournament chiefs would obviously love to have the two most marketable names in women's tennis participating in the event, but they can't be shedding too many tears.

Indian Wells has simply adapted to life without the Williamses' presence. Furthermore, their name has become more intrinsically linked with this event than any other, due to this very controversy. And while the issue is hardly positive publicity for the BNP Paribas Open, it has kept the event in the public consciousness for months.

Too much doubt and too much time elapsed for Venus and Serena to garner genuine widespread sympathy for their stance.

"I think it's personal stuff for Serena and Venus," said No. 4 seed Vera Zvonareva. "I really am not that familiar with their situation, so it's tough for me to judge from the side.

"Of course I would like to see the Williams sisters play in every tournament, because they are great for the crowd. They bring great atmosphere. They're great champions. But besides that, there are so many great players out there."

The most noticeable by-product of the Williamses' absence has merely been to offer a slightly easier passage to some of their rivals – although a spate of upsets this year has prevented the No.1 contenders from capitalizing.

"It does create opportunities, them not being here," said Victoria Azarenka, the rapidly climbing world No.11 from Belarus. "You have to feel confident against every opponent but it does make the draw a little more open and there are some more chances for players to make a run."


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I think he makes some solid points.
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The WS have never said that they want to harm the tournament, they just don't want to play where they feel they aren't welcome.

It's like like they purposely think about what their absence will do for IW, it just no longer exists on either of their calendars

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why is it so hard for people to believe or understand that they just really do not care? that this issue has been over and done with for years as far as they are concerned? my goodness...people are REALLY taking this stuff personally.

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It should be a non-issue. They don't want to play because of what happened and that's it.
The tour shouldn't have to force players to play somewhere.
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I don't even want to add to the posts, but I can't help it.

1) I hate how he says "causing Richard to shake his fist furiously" like that's a justification for the crowd behaving that way.
2) Who the hell is he to determine that 8 years "should be enough to heal wounds"
3) Here's the kicker, "What exactly would the tournament be apologizing for?" How about apologizing to the Williamses and Clijsters for the mob like behavior of the crowd. Oh and for not hanging Serena's championship banner?
4) V&S do not give a FUCK about IW, so NO they were not "hoping to hurt it" nor have they hoped to for 8 got damn years!

And he IS a journalist, so where are the comments from the other side (a little objectivity)...not the tournament, but Venus and Serena. Why doesn't he ask them if they are trying to hurt the tournament instead of assuming it?

My biggest issue is that he doesn't try to understand their POV, and he assumes
they want to harm the tournament. Further he insinuates that because the tournament received no reports of racism, that A)It didn't happen and B) that even if the motivations weren't racist that the crowd's behavior is acceptable.

Why if IW is so fucking great, does there need to be 237613828,2312879,2392819 articles about the WS? If, as this guy is saying, they haven't hurt the tournament then WHO REALLY CARES? DAYUM. V&S aren't holding their breath for an apology, and I'm sure IW aren't holding their breath for them to return, nor are the fans, at least not this one.

Fuck off.

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I really think I might look into a career in tennis journalism. The amount of incompetent writers that write 'articles' currently; surely it must be an incredibly easy to excell in this field.

Generally quite a sloppy article but it's definitely bad journalism to make allegations, such as: that the WS are hoping to harm the tounrament. It's something of a non-issue for them, I'm not sure why the author is trying to enflame it.

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Yea, when I first start reading this article, I was like, "You've got to be kidding me!" It's so a bunch of baloney

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I think it's curious that with all the new storylines out there, this one is stil on yahoo sports front page.

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The WS have never said that they want to harm the tournament, they just don't want to play where they feel they aren't welcome.

It's like like they purposely think about what their absence will do for IW, it just no longer exists on either of their calendars
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Indian Wells boycott hurts Williamses more than it helps
By Martin Rogers


INDIAN WELLS, Calif. – One of the longest tournament boycotts in tennis history is now in danger of becoming one of the most self-defeating.
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If the duo is hoping to hurt the tournament then the plan is not really working.

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The duo does not hope to hurt the tournament. If they did, they would have played IW because the fans who are mostly racist would not attend and the stands would be almost totally empty. A little counter-intuitive, but it's the most likely outcome if the boycott ended.
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I really think I might look into a career in tennis journalism. The amount of incompetent writers that write 'articles' currently; surely it must be an incredibly easy to excell in this field.
And your presence in the field would do what to solve that?

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This was a blog written by someone paid to give his opinion. Period. If you're getting all worked up over it, you need to check yourself, not Mr. Rogers.

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Oh I'd forgotten how cute the smiley is.

It's under used.

Ahh, just wait til Birmingham/Eastbourne/Wimbledon
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