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Discrepancy in Semi Final Crowds

I've been watching the ATP coverage all week. I have been hearing how the crowds have been flocking out of the stadium court as soon as the mens matches were completed and a womens was about to start. I saw the Semi Finals of the women and they weren't wrong. I have never seen such a discrepancy between crowds for the ATP as opposed to the WTA. It was virtually packed for the two men SFs but it was practically empty for the women.

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I'm not surprised at the discrepancy. Women do not deserve equal pay.

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Re: Discrepancy in Semi Final Crowds

Roddick/Nadal
Federer/Murray

vs.

Zvonareva/Azarenka
Ivanovic/Pavlyuchenkova

Go figure!

Not to mention Friday vs. Saturday
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I'm not surprised at the discrepancy. Women do not deserve equal pay.
Given that when Venus or Serena play a GS final, they almost always get higher TV ratings than the men's final, whoever it is, would you therefore support Venus and Serena being paid more than the men. Especially, since most of the money in big tournaments comes from TV ad revenue?

Would it be best to established a fixed formula for TV ad revenue, and ticket sales, and pay each player based on the amount of money they are calculated to make the tournament?

Should the popular players make more for winning a tournament than the unknown players? Should Serena be paid more for winning Miami than say .... Nikolay Davydenko?

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Given that when Venus or Serena play a GS final, they almost always get higher TV ratings than the men's final, whoever it is, would you therefore support Venus and Serena being paid more than the men. Especially, since most of the money in big tournaments comes from TV ad revenue?

Would it be best to established a fixed formula for TV ad revenue, and ticket sales, and pay each player based on the amount of money they are calculated to make the tournament?

Should the popular players make more for winning a tournament than the unknown players? Should Serena be paid more for winning Miami than say .... Nikolay Davydenko?
It's the womens tennis association, not the Williams tennis association

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Given that when Venus or Serena play a GS final, they almost always get higher TV ratings than the men's final, whoever it is, would you therefore support Venus and Serena being paid more than the men. Especially, since most of the money in big tournaments comes from TV ad revenue?

Would it be best to established a fixed formula for TV ad revenue, and ticket sales, and pay each player based on the amount of money they are calculated to make the tournament?

Should the popular players make more for winning a tournament than the unknown players? Should Serena be paid more for winning Miami than say .... Nikolay Davydenko?
I would be for the tournaments deciding what to pay the women and the men's draws. Unconditionally pairing the two doesn't make much sense.
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It's the womens tennis association, not the Williams tennis association
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I would be for the tournaments deciding what to pay the women and the men's draws. Unconditionally pairing the two doesn't make much sense.
The tournaments DO decide. No one forces them to pay the fees to become a 'Premier' event.

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I'm not surprised at the discrepancy. Women do not deserve equal pay.
You must live in a dream world, as long as Tiger Woods makes a million dollars more a day for wearing Nike products than the child who stitched his shoes for 12 hours a day, there will never be fairness in this world. So if you would rather see Nadal win 100,000 more tomorrow tha Ana find a more worthwhile cause!

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Given that when Venus or Serena play a GS final, they almost always get higher TV ratings than the men's final, whoever it is, would you therefore support Venus and Serena being paid more than the men. Especially, since most of the money in big tournaments comes from TV ad revenue?

Would it be best to established a fixed formula for TV ad revenue, and ticket sales, and pay each player based on the amount of money they are calculated to make the tournament?

Should the popular players make more for winning a tournament than the unknown players? Should Serena be paid more for winning Miami than say .... Nikolay Davydenko?
Really? You think the Mens Wimbledon Final had less viewers than Women? I dont think any match Venus or Serena play could trump a comparable mens match unless they play each other in a tournament with decent coverage. I might be wrong, but I completely think you pulled that statistic out of your ass.

Also, a fixed formula for TV ad revenue would still slight the women. The reason there have been barely any streams for womens tennis this week is because nobody bothers to air it.
You could say its just IW because the WS dont play, but even Miami has pretty dismal scheduling times. Yet there has been some type of stream for every single mens single match on stadium 1 and 2. Clearly if money was calculated from TV ratings, womens tennis would be quite a dreadful paying job.

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According to some people your eyes are just playing tricks on you. After all, this year's tournament has record crowds. Maybe the people are taking a bathroom break during the women's matches?

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Given that when Venus or Serena play a GS final, they almost always get higher TV ratings than the men's final, whoever it is, would you therefore support Venus and Serena being paid more than the men. Especially, since most of the money in big tournaments comes from TV ad revenue?
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In USA . Not in the rest of the world (200 or more countries)
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Really? You think the Mens Wimbledon Final had less viewers than Women?
This year, I don't know. All of the All-Williams GS finals have had great ratings, but this year's build-up to Federer-Nadal was, well, basically a year in the making.
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I dont think any match Venus or Serena play could trump a comparable mens match unless they play each other in a tournament with decent coverage. I might be wrong, but I completely think you pulled that statistic out of your ass.
I'm not sure what you mean by a tournament with 'decent coverage'. GS finals, by definition, are covered pretty well. And if you check out the rating for the 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004 and 2005 Wimbledon finals, the women's final got higher rating than the men's EVERY one of those years. It's not solely a Williams sisters phenomenon either. The 2002 OZ final between Hingis and Capriati had higher TV ratings than the men's final as well.

However. until I provide links to sources, we can only agree to disagree.

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Re: Discrepancy in Semi Final Crowds

Had the semis featured Maria, Venus and Seena there would have been huge crouds.
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It's understandable why they would leave. They're there for the tennis after all.
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