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Why did Seles have such a problem with hingis?



I think she should have a closer h2h with her. Or she should be leading IMO she was much better than Hingis, and many of the highlights of matches I watched between them Seles also played liked she should have won she always had her on the ropes and everything.
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Re: Why did Seles have such a problem with hingis?

Martina was very good at using Monica's lack of speed

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Martina was very good at using Monica's lack of speed
But Linds had no problems with Martina, I think the key was the serve, unless you had a very good serve (Davenport/Williams), Hingis had her way with you.

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Re: Why did Seles have such a problem with hingis?

martinas prime came when seles was at her lowest point both fitness and tennis wise. you see from summer 2001 onwards that their H2H was even (maybe even in seles favour) when hingis had fallen from her pedastal and seles had regained form and fitness.

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Re: Why did Seles have such a problem with hingis?

Monica was fat and had no potent serve. Lack of foot speed + average serve = straight set win for Hingis

Its a HUGE shame that Seles wasn't in the shape she is in now from 1996-2003. She would've won at least 2 more majors and stayed in the Top 3.

how she was ranked as high as 3-4 whenever she was healthy being that overweight is a testament to her ability to strike the ball.
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Re: Why did Seles have such a problem with hingis?

Because she was stabbed with a knife when she was dominating the tour.
Hingis never played Seles when she was winning 3 majors a year and was a clear #1

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Re: Why did Seles have such a problem with hingis?

well Hingis was really good
in those days...
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the good thing bout seles is her angles and fight
she doesnt really have that extra power
that Hingis has trouble with!!
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Because she was stabbed with a knife when she was dominating the tour.
Hingis never played Seles when she was winning 3 majors a year and was a clear #1
Listen, what happened to Seles was horrible, but life happens.

Being stabbed in the back had nothing to do with her lack of fitness. She had 100% control over her fitness level - and she will tell you that right now I'm sure - and thats the reason why her career was average after 1995. She was substantially overweight and out of shape for a professional athelte, and never developed net play or a consistent enough serve.

Seles has said repeatedly over the last few years that her fitness issues was her biggest problem. I'm not sure why her fans can't agree.
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Listen, what happened to Seles was horrible, but life happens.

Being stabbed in the back had nothing to do with her lack of fitness. She had 100% control over her fitness level - and she will tell you that right now I'm sure - and thats the reason why her career was average after 1995. She was substantially overweight and out of shape for a professional athelte, and never developed net play or a consistent enough serve.

Seles has said repeatedly over the last few years that her fitness issues was her biggest problem. I'm not sure why her fans can't agree.
her fitness issues were a direct result of her stabbing. she admitted in her autobiography food became comfort after the stabbing, so your point is null and void.

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The same reason she had a terrible h2h against Serena, Venus and Lindsay? Apart from certain periods, her intensity, fitness and desire wasn't comparable with what she had pre-stabbing.

Technically I think her game may have been better after the stabbing: she had quite a decent serve and could play a good one -hander. Her fitness was the huge problem though

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Bad timing for Monica, their first matches were when her fitness was not good and that was something Martina could exploit very well. And I think when someone has a good record against you it gets into your head. A peak Monica would beat a peak Martina probably 8 times out of 10.
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M.Hingis leads 15-5



1996 OAKLAND CARPET (I) F M. HINGIS 6-2 6-0

1997 MIAMI HARD (O) F M. HINGIS 6-2 6-1

1997 HILTON HEAD CLAY (O) F M. HINGIS 3-6 6-3 7-6(5) *

1997 FRENCH OPEN CLAY (O) S M. HINGIS 6-7(2) 7-5 6-4 *

1997 SAN DIEGO HARD (O) F M. HINGIS 7-6(4) 6-4

1998 FRENCH OPEN CLAY (O) S M. SELES 6-3 6-2

1998 DU MAURIER OPEN HARD (O) S M. SELES 4-6 6-3 6-2

1998 US OPEN HARD (O) Q M. HINGIS 6-4 6-4

1999 AUSTRALIAN OPEN HARD (O) S M. HINGIS 6-2 6-4

1999 DU MAURIER OPEN HARD (O) F M. HINGIS 6-4 6-4

2000 INDIAN WELLS HARD (O) Q M. HINGIS 6-3 6-1

2000 ERICSSON OPEN HARD (O) S M. HINGIS 6-0 6-0

2000 US OPEN HARD (O) Q M. HINGIS 6-0 7-5

2000 CHASE CHAMPIONSHIPS CARPET (I) F M. HINGIS 6-7(5) 6-4 6-4 *

2001 SAN DIEGO HARD (O) S M. SELES 6-3 6-4

2001 LOS ANGELES HARD (O) S M. SELES 6-3 1-6 6-4

2002 AUSTRALIAN OPEN HARD (O) S M. HINGIS 4-6 6-1 6-4 *

2002 TOKYO (PAN PACIFIC) CARPET (I) F M. HINGIS 7-6(6) 4-6 6-3 *

2002 INDIAN WELLS HARD (O) S M. HINGIS 6-3 6-2

2002 US OPEN HARD (O) R16 M. SELES 6-4 6-2


The ones with *s by are the ones Monica could have/ should have won In my opinion Then the head 2 head would have been 10-10. God, I love re-writing history

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Re: Why did Seles have such a problem with hingis?

sammm - of all the ones you put monica *should/could* have won, the one she really should have won you didn't highlight, the 2002 PPO final, seles had set points in the 1st set and had the upper hand in that set, had she won it im 99% sure she would have won the match.

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her fitness issues were a direct result of her stabbing. she admitted in her autobiography food became comfort after the stabbing, so your point is null and void.
The stabbing caused her to gain weight, but that didn't mean she couldn't lose it.

Her fitness went up and down throughout her career, but she never made the 100% effort to take enough time off to get 100% in shape. She looks amazing now, if she looked the way she does now 10 years ago she would've been just fine.

Stop using the stabbing as an excuse. And I'm a Seles fan, I thought she was great to watch when playing well.
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sammm - of all the ones you put monica *should/could* have won, the one she really should have won you didn't highlight, the 2002 PPO final, seles had set points in the 1st set and had the upper hand in that set, had she won it im 99% sure she would have won the match.
Okay, well I'll star that one as well


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