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The tour since Justine's departure...

I hear over and over that the tour is crap since Justine left. I contend that the tour was "crap" when Justine was around, however she played enough to keep players like Safina, Jankovic, Ivanovic and Dementieva from ever reaching the top spot. Remember these are the same players that Justine was beating to win her titles. Since Justine retired the Williams sisters have made it clear that they don't intend to play a bunch of tournaments, but would rather save themselves for the big tournaments. This leaves lots of points for the other players to pick up and add to their rankings. There are 3 ways you can become number one.....win big.....win often....or win big and often.

Remember Justine left the game because she tried to win big and win often but could not sustain it........The Wiliams are only interested in winning big.......What is so wrong with the other player trying to win often? The number 1 ranking does not predict who is going to win a tournament or who is the better player...it just states who has the most points at the moment.

Can we call a truce and accept the person who has the most points as the valid number 1 ranked player. What do you guys think?

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lol. bhs, I agree with the sensible an accurate point of view you posted about rankings. The thing is that I've started a couple threads that basically made the same case and . . well . . folks here aren't having it. Then again, maybe your way of explaining it will do the trick.
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Re: The tour since Justine's departure...

who ever gets #1 deserves it simply because she earned more points then the others .

the #1 doesn't always show who is the best player on tour , this is just another case of that happening.

i don't like Safina or her game and her as #1 is repulsive to me but if she gets the points to get there ...

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Re: The tour since Justine's departure...

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Can we call a truce and accept the person who has the most points as the valid number 1. What do you guys think?
I think there's a difference between being the #1 player, i.e., the 'best' player, and being the #1 ranked player.

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Actually the WSs have played a lot of tournaments already this year Th eonly important one where both of them dint participate was IW!

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I miss so martina hingis , today on www.abola.pt martina say what 2010 she will participate at many exhibitions and tennis clinic matchs great news http://hingisova.skyrock.com
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Really don't mind Safina becoming no1, I'm wondering what all the fuss is about. I'm sure Venus or Serena would prefer to win a slam ranked anywhere rather than be no1 and not be able to win a slam. Interestingly when you think of about it since the rise of Hingis my estimate would be that an existing no1 ( whoever that be ) has been able to win less than a quarter of available slams.
a rough estimate (this is very open to correction as its from memory)of the 49 slams since AO'97

Hingis won 3 as no1, I don't think she was no1 for AO'97 or AO 99 I doubt whether daveport ever won a slam as no1, venus definetely didn't, I don't think caprati did either cos I remember lindsay was the no1 at the end of 01 meaning capriati wasn't no 1 going in to AO02 Majoli , Pierce,Myskina, Kuznetsova obviously didn't, serena may have 3 or 4 but if venus was no1 going in to Wim02 its 3, clijsters didn't (i'm not counting steffii prior to 97), sharapova and anna didn't, not sure about amelie and justine, but I know for justine's first 2 she wasn't no 1.

So really probably a maximum of about 13 (proabaly less) slams out of 49 won by an existing no1 ranked player.I hope one of the stats people can give us the accurate figure. From the trend safina probably has a better chance winning the french as anyhthing but the No1 player.
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Re: The tour since Justine's departure...

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I hear over and over that the tour is crap since Justine left. I contend that the tour was "crap" when Justine was around, however she played enough to keep players like Safina, Jankovic, Ivanovic and Dementieva from ever reaching the top spot. Remember these are the same players that Justine was beating to win her titles. Since Justine retired the Williams sisters have made it clear that they don't intend to play a bunch of tournaments, but would rather save themselves for the big tournaments. This leaves lots of points for the other players to pick up and add to their rankings. There are 3 ways you can become number one.....win big.....win often....or win big and often.

Remember Justine left the game because she tried to win big and win often but could not sustain it........The Wiliams are only interested in winning big.......What is so wrong with the other player trying to win often? The number 1 ranking does not predict who is going to win a tournament or who is the better player...it just states who has the most points at the moment.

Can we call a truce and accept the person who has the most points as the valid number 1 ranked player. What do you guys think?
She won at least 1 slam for 5 years in a row and won 10 titles in 2007. If thats not 'sustained' then I dont know what is.

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She won at least 1 slam for 5 years in a row and won 10 titles in 2007. If thats not 'sustained' then I dont know what is.
I just love how people are trying to make it seem like the reason Justine quit was because she wasn't winning anymore. I think it was the other way around.
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She won at least 1 slam for 5 years in a row and won 10 titles in 2007. If thats not 'sustained' then I dont know what is.
Don't twist or misinterpret what the OP is saying. I don't think they're saying that Justine had stopped winning but that the day in & day out grind of the tour during the course of her career finally drained her. That when you play that type of schedule - winning big & often, eventually you burn out.
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The WS have dominated every big event since Wimbledon bar the Olympics, i hope skipping IW won't hurt that!
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I just love how people are trying to make it seem like the reason Justine quit was because she wasn't winning anymore. I think it was the other way around.


Justine quit because she winning too much? She got fed up of all those records, all the acclamations from the tennis media, all the glory, all those big fat prize cheques she was getting.

Of course.

A lot of people will always make comments that Justine quit because she was losing, because, in the two biggest tournaments she played in 2008 she was bagelled by two of her biggest rivals. To say she quit because of these losses is rather facile, and I don't agree. But, you can see why some people might think that.

Ultimately, what is clear, is that Justine burned out.

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Justine left because she saw the writing on the wall. People were recovering from injuries and gettin back in shape and was beating her. She was on the verge of loosing the French Open as well...so she flew the coop because she didnt want to risk loosing the legacy she created there at the French Open. The tour has suffered a little because she's not in it, but top players such as Mauresmo, Sharapova, Pierce, Davenport and a few others have not played well or at all due to injuries or other outside reasons. Right now the Williams Sisters are the only thing I think is really keeping the WTA interested. I cant help but think that when they leave...womens tennis will suffer the same fate as figure skating when Michelle Kwan left. I hate to say it but if Americans are not top players in sports...the ratings go down tremendously..and Venus and Serena are the only thing we have winning slams on the womens AND mens.

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Justine quit because she winning too much? She got fed up of all those records, all the acclamations from the tennis media, all the glory, all those big fat prize cheques she was getting.
There's as much evidence that she quit because she was winning as there is because she was losing. One could make the argument that after she won the Open and beat the WS back to back on fast hard court, she lost a lot of her motivation. Point is, it's rather stupid to make either claim with any certainity. You could see possible validity in one of those claims because you're biased.
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Re: The tour since Justine's departure...

Oh boy ..am tired of those justine's worshipping or bashing thread . The reason why she quit was not the point of the starter...
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