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When we speak of best of this generation

What year do you think this generation started? I say it started in 97 with the rise of Hingis to the top ranking. Steffi was the last player from her generation to win a slam.

Can another generation start before the descent of the players from the previous generation? In my mind this generation doesn't end until Venus and Serena are no longer winning slams. 97-?

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Re: When we speak of best of this generation

I don't think it breaks down in so even a way. 'Eras' in a way, are defined by personalities and accomplishments. To my mind, there have been four 'eras', in the Open Era.
1) King vs Court - overlapping from pre-Open era
2) Evert vs Navrtilova
3) Graf
4) After-Graf
The Williams sisters may own 'After Graf'' one day. Let's see in ten years.

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I don't think it breaks down in so even a way. 'Eras' in a way, are defined by personalities and accomplishments. To my mind, there have been four 'eras', in the Open Era.
1) King vs Court - overlapping from pre-Open era
2) Evert vs Navrtilova
3) Graf
4) After-Graf
The Williams sisters may own 'After Graf'' one day. Let's see in ten years.

King vs Court
Navratilova vs Evert
Graf vs Navratilova.
Seles vs Graf
Gaf
May own? They are the last champions of their generation. Lindsay gone, Capriati gone, Henin, Kim.... Amelie is still in it, but she's hardly going to go on a tear and blaze through the tour.

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"And for the best of the teen-agers who followed her, and who occasionally referred to her as over the hill, Graf had a ready answer: against top-ranked Martina Hingis, Graf wound up 7-2. Graf's stirring 4-6, 7-5, 6-2 throttling of Hingis at the French Open final this June was perhaps the most emphatic parting shot the game has ever seen. "


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May own? They are the last champions of their generation. Lindsay gone, Capriati gone, Henin, Kim.... Amelie is still in it, but she's hardly going to go on a tear and blaze through the tour.
What will the 4th "era" be called then? The Graf "era" is called the "Graf" era because no one comes close to her achievements and the mark she left on the sport. I don't think you can say that about Serena and/or Venus.
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What will the 4th "era" be called then? The Graf "era" is called the "Graf" era because no one comes close to her achievements and the mark she left on the sport. I don't think you can say that about Serena and/or Venus.
by your definition, there's likey not to be another generation, as Steffi's accomplishments won't be surpassed in quite some time.

I think generations are defined by the best players passing the torch to the next group of top players displacing them from the top.

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Are you talking of the last generation?

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I agree with 1997, the rise of Hingis, Venus came on the scene, Davenport won the Olympics the year before and was somewhat challenging for slams in 1997 and then 1998 and 1999 had Venus and Serena again and Davenport win slams, along with Hingis.


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May own? They are the last champions of their generation. Lindsay gone, Capriati gone, Henin, Kim.... Amelie is still in it .....
What if Hingis was the start of twenty-five years of players at a time winning five to ten slams? As if you always have a third 'dominant' players to split up the goodies.

If it goes like that, it isn't 'The Williams Era', it'll be called something like 'One Hundred Empresses'.

Suppose Henin comes back and wins five more slams?

The point is, you need some distance before you can see where things end. And the edges just aren't hard. What 'era' does Hingis belong in? Graf won her last slam after Hingis won her last. The whole of Hingis' slam-winning career is encompassed by Graf's.

Yet I would agree that Hingis was a nextgen player, relative to Graf.

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[/INDENT]The Williams sisters may own 'After Graf'' one day. Let's see in ten years.
I think it's going to be Serena alone.
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What if Hingis was the start of twenty-five years of players at a time winning five to ten slams? As if you always have a third 'dominant' players to split up the goodies.

If it goes like that, it isn't 'The Williams Era', it'll be called something like 'One Hundred Empresses'.

Suppose Henin comes back and wins five more slams?

The point is, you need some distance before you can see where things end. And the edges just aren't hard. What 'era' does Hingis belong in? Graf won her last slam after Hingis won her last. The whole of Hingis' slam-winning career is encompassed by Graf's.

Yet I would agree that Hingis was a nextgen player, relative to Graf.
I never said, or meant to imply that this is the Williams era, just that they are the last of the great champions from this era.

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I never said, or meant to imply that this is the Williams era, just that they are the last of the great champions from this era.
it is the williams era though... in 100 years... this time period will be remembered for what? the most dominating siblings the tennis world has/ had ever seen. They dominated not only singles but also doubles.....yeah, Henin was in there, but she only got 7 and that will eventually fade away when you compare her with the "sister act."

For the person who said it will be "just" Serena....not likely.... Venus leads their head to head.... and with the way its going right now she will continue to lead it.

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by your definition, there's likey not to be another generation, as Steffi's accomplishments won't be surpassed in quite some time.

I think generations are defined by the best players passing the torch to the next group of top players displacing them from the top.
Well Steffi's not playing anymore so she can't own a generation she's not in. I'm saying classifying this post-Graf generation is going to be difficult because there's not one set person who really dominated this time frame.

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In my mind this generation doesn't end until Venus and Serena are no longer winning slams.
Question: you say that this generation won't end until S&V retire or stop winning slams. Does this not apply to Graf, who won her last slam in 99? Which would technically make Martina Hingis part of the Graf generation. Hingis was done winning slams when Graf won the French in 99.
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Well Steffi's not playing anymore so she can't own a generation she's not in. I'm saying classifying this post-Graf generation is going to be difficult because there's not one set person who really dominated this time frame.



Question: you say that this generation won't end until S&V retire or stop winning slams. Does this not apply to Graf, who won her last slam in 99? Which would technically make Martina Hingis part of the Graf generation. Hingis was done winning slams when Graf won the French in 99.
It depends on how much longer that play.... If Venus and Serena retire in 2012 still winning slams, which i suspect they will be then the new era hasnt started..... IF they retire soon and only have a couple more in them and Safina goes on to be this power player (i doubt) then you could say the "new" era started with Ivanovic winning the FO and Safina making 2 slam finals......

Hingis will be viewed as in a transition zone, kinda like Hewitt is. Pete was number 1 then Hewitt "dominated" got some slams was number 1 and then Federer came along. The difference of course being that Venus/ Serena didnt stay number 1 the whole time they have always been the "players to beat."

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Well Steffi's not playing anymore so she can't own a generation she's not in. I'm saying classifying this post-Graf generation is going to be difficult because there's not one set person who really dominated this time frame.



Question: you say that this generation won't end until S&V retire or stop winning slams. Does this not apply to Graf, who won her last slam in 99? Which would technically make Martina Hingis part of the Graf generation. Hingis was done winning slams when Graf won the French in 99.
you can define it anyway you wish, that's your opinion. I'm saying a generation doesn't have to have a dominant player. It can be a crop of new players vying for the slams and the #1 ranking. I'd say Hingis's 97 def was the beginning of a new era. Steffi was the last and clearly the best of her generation.

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