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Serena hasn't had an "edge" over Venus since 2003

In the www thread the other day people kept saying how Serena had a slight edge mentally over Vee and that didn't sit right with me. It clearly is not true that Serena has a mental edge considering the h2h SINCE 2003 is now 5-2 and the matches Serena did win Venus had chances to win in both.

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Re: Serena hasn't had an "edge" over Venus since 2003

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Re: Serena hasn't had an "edge" over Venus since 2003

well in 2 of the last 5 matches Venus won, Serena had chances to win as well

They play in ebbs and flows....first it was Venus who won a lot of the matches, then it was Serena, now it's Venus again

...it's called a rivalry for a reason.

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Re: Serena hasn't had an "edge" over Venus since 2003

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well in 2 of the last 5 matches Venus won, Serena had chances to win as well

They play in ebbs and flows....first it was Venus who won a lot of the matches, then it was Serena, now it's Venus again

...it's called a rivalry for a reason.
i agree.

like i've been saying now, the girls just got over the fact that they are sisters and just want to win the match. their matches have been a toss up now wich is great.

i think ppl who said that on the WWW were basing their opinion on the Usopen match that's all

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so true........ thats why Venus has the edge.... anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded....Serena is slow, if she wants the edge back she needs to get back into 2002 shape, which sadly for her is not possible at this stage in her career....

Serena's "devasting attacking tennis" is neutralized if you put her on the run....

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Re: Serena hasn't had an "edge" over Venus since 2003

2005 MIAMI ...... QTR Venus ... 6-1 7-6
2005 US OPEN .... R16 Venus ... 7-6 6-2
2008 BANGALORE .. SMI Serena .. 6-3 3-6 7-6
2008 WIMBLEDON .. FNL Venus ... 7-5 6-4
2008 US OPEN .... QTR Serena .. 7-6 7-6
2008 YEC ........ Rd1 Venus ... 5-7 6-1 6-0
2009 DUBAI ...... SMI Venus ... 6-1 2-6 7-6

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Re: Serena hasn't had an "edge" over Venus since 2003

Well without making excuses, Serena does face Venus at some unfortunate times, when her health is in question ie the last 2 matches. That being said, I think matches like today show what an underachiever Venus is at the hardcourt slams. She should be consistantly making the last 4 at least

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2005 MIAMI ...... QTR Venus ... 6-1 7-6
2005 US OPEN .... R16 Venus ... 7-6 6-2
2008 BANGALORE .. SMI Serena .. 6-3 3-6 7-6
2008 WIMBLEDON .. FNL Venus ... 7-5 6-4
2008 US OPEN .... QTR Serena .. 7-6 7-6
2008 YEC ........ Rd1 Venus ... 5-7 6-1 6-0
2009 DUBAI ...... SMI Venus ... 6-1 2-6 7-6
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Well without making excuses, Serena does face Venus at some unfortunate times, when her health is in question ie the last 2 matches. That being said, I think matches like today show what an underachiever Venus is at the hardcourt slams. She should be consistantly making the last 4 at least
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so true........ thats why Venus has the edge.... anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded....Serena is slow, if she wants the edge back she needs to get back into 2002 shape, which sadly for her is not possible at this stage in her career....

Serena's "devasting attacking tennis" is neutralized if you put her on the run....
Okay, we ae talking about the reigning US Open and Australian Open champion, right? The current #1 ranked player? Maybe 2009 shape is just fine for winning slams, even if it won't beat Venus most of the time. Serena plays the other players on the tour better than Venus does, which is ultimately why Serena wins more slams.

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so true........ thats why Venus has the edge.... anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded....Serena is slow, if she wants the edge back she needs to get back into 2002 shape, which sadly for her is not possible at this stage in her career....

Serena's "devasting attacking tennis" is neutralized if you put her on the run....
I agree.

Catsuitrena is still the most spectacular player I've ever seen. Right now, Venus can handle Serena's power better than most, and once she turns it to a running contest Vee has a slight advantage.

But Serena is sooo good that she can still turn alot of tough rallies with Venus to her advantage, and can still hit a lot of amazing winners as well. Her serve, when on, is still a devastating weapon.

Because of her slight disadvantage in mobility, I think Serena tries to go for a winner a touch too early sometimes against Venus. I also don't remember Serena hitting so many slices in a match against a fellow big hitter.

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2005 MIAMI ...... QTR Venus ... 6-1 7-6
2005 US OPEN .... R16 Venus ... 7-6 6-2
2008 BANGALORE .. SMI Serena .. 6-3 3-6 7-6
2008 WIMBLEDON .. FNL Venus ... 7-5 6-4
2008 US OPEN .... QTR Serena .. 7-6 7-6
2008 YEC ........ Rd1 Venus ... 5-7 6-1 6-0
2009 DUBAI ...... SMI Venus ... 6-1 2-6 7-6
Venus had MP in Bangalore and Set points at USO as well to winning those 5 matches


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so true........ thats why Venus has the edge.... anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded....Serena is slow, if she wants the edge back she needs to get back into 2002 shape, which sadly for her is not possible at this stage in her career....

Serena's "devasting attacking tennis" is neutralized if you put her on the run....
Naw, that sounds like an excuse. Serena has won four grandslams since her surgery in '03 so her movement didn't stop her from beating other top players so no different vs. Vee. Venus has just been the more mentally stable player in THEIR matches since '03, against other players though Serena has been better.

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Re: Serena hasn't had an "edge" over Venus since 2003

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well in 2 of the last 5 matches Venus won, Serena had chances to win as well

They play in ebbs and flows....first it was Venus who won a lot of the matches, then it was Serena, now it's Venus again

...it's called a rivalry for a reason.
what r u talking about????? did Serena have setpoints or matchpoints in either of those matches NO not comparable sorry
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