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You can divide this rivalry into two halves. Pre-2004 and post-2004.

Before 2004 was a story of Venus leading the H2H early but Serena catching up and then completely dominating. Serena led this 7-5 including winning the last 6 matches. That culminated with the 2003 Wimbledon final. That was the end of an era.

Post 2004, Venus leads the H2H 4-2. I find that really interesting. If she wins this Dubai match, she'll have 5-2, that's a pretty big lead. As far as grand slam success is concerned during that whole time Serena has 4 grand slams and Venus has 3 Wimbledons. So fairly close but the H2H are in Venus's favour so far.

I just thought it was really interesting how you could divide this rivalry in half. It'll be really interesting to see who wins.

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Re: Something interesting about the Williams sisters H2H

Theirs is probably the most underrated rivalry in any sport.

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Theirs is probably the most underrated rivalry in any sport.
True on some levels, but it's also a hard rivalry to get behind. Most of their matches are fairly flat. There are a few gems, but a lot of them are just uncomfortable. Add to it that the fan base of both players tends to overlap much more than even Agassi-Sampras or Connors-Borg or Evert-Navratilova or any other rivalry I can think of. A lot of people tune in to watch it, but how many of those people are die-hard supporters of one sister and not the other? What %? I'd guess maybe 5 or 10 % have an opinion and the rest watch because it's two superstars and they play tennis well.
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Theirs is probably the most underrated rivalry in any sport.
Their matches aren't so good. Graf- Seles, Graf-ASV, Navratilova- Evert were much better.

Even Hingis-Venus or Serena- Capriati were much better
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Re: Something interesting about the Williams sisters H2H

Interesting indeed.
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Re: Something interesting about the Williams sisters H2H

Before 2004, Serena led 7-5, though, not 7-4.

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Re: Something interesting about the Williams sisters H2H

i think the main prob with their rivalry was that they had that "it's my sister on the other side of net" thing going on, imo they got over it now (mainly cuz they realised that they dont have much more time on tour) and just want to really fight point by point and that's why her latest matches have been pretty good (USOPEN , Bangalore etc..)

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You can divide this rivalry into two halves. Pre-2004 and post-2004.

Before 2004 was a story of Venus leading the H2H early but Serena catching up and then completely dominating. Serena led this 7-4 including winning the last 6 matches. That culminated with the 2003 Wimbledon final. That was the end of an era.

Post 2004, Venus leads the H2H 4-2. I find that really interesting. If she wins this Dubai match, she'll have 5-2, that's a pretty big lead. As far as grand slam success is concerned during that whole time Serena has 4 grand slams and Venus has 3 Wimbledons. So fairly close but the H2H are in Venus's favour so far.

I just thought it was really interesting how you could divide this rivalry in half. It'll be really interesting to see who wins.
There's is what I call a rivalry not that crap that people keep bringing up about serena and maria's rivalry there's no rivalry between those two. Lindsay, vee and ree were rivals Hingis, vee and serena were rivals...
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Agreed..their matches are getting more intense.

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Re: Something interesting about the Williams sisters H2H

Actually there are really three phases:
pre 2002 Venus dominated (Venus led 5-1)
2002-2003 Serena dominated (Serena 6-0, five of which were slam finals)
post 2003 pretty evenly matched and much more competitive, with slight Venus advantage (4-2).

So far, Serena still has the better part of the rivalry with a 5-2 lead in h2h in Grand Slam finals.

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Their matches in past 2002 etc were utterly boring.

On the other hand, the Wimbledon final (08) and US Open semi(08) was the best that women's tennis can produce.


Didn't see the Lena-Venus match but most people said Venus played great. Saw Serena yesterday-played enormously well,stunning.

If they keep this form and play the same tennis today, it can be one of the best matches all time, why not? Both play so well these days

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Not a single comment so far that several of their past matches had a predecided winner?

I have no idea myself but I have heard many people (including some people close to the tour) claiming that.
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Not a single comment so far that several of their past matches had a predecided winner?

I have no idea myself but I have heard many people (including some people close to the tour) claiming that.
Venus must've been really dumb then as she agreed to lose 4 Grandslam finals in a row to Serena
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Venus must've been really dumb then as she agreed to lose 4 Grandslam finals in a row to Serena
Hehe, my post read "several of their matches", not "every single one".
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