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If ever evidence were needed of the Dire condition of Women's Tennis...

Not only is a player of very slightly-above-ordinary abilities number one in the world, who two and a half years ago NOBODY would have predicted would even clip the top eight, but a 38 year-old out of the game for 12 years last season can push the 25th seed to 8-6 in the third.

Now, far be it from me to denigrate Kimiko Date (now Krum). She was an absolutely thrilling player to watch in the 1990s, and in my opinion, could have won a slam had she had a little bit more desire. She played beautiful tennis and was more talented than most. The best thing (sorry, Ai, sorry Li Na) to come out of the Far East by far. So credit to her.

But c'mon.
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Re: If ever evidence were needed of the Dire condition of Women's Tennis...

Well, nobody says anything when Mike Jordan comes out of retirement and still wins.

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Re: If ever evidence were needed of the Dire condition of Women's Tennis...

What are you talking about? They did comment how embarassing it was for the Wizards that their best player was 10 years older than everyone else. And besides, Jordan is one of the best of all time, Date didn't even win a GS during a period everyone likes to call an empty field with Graf and co.

It just proves to me that if Graf or Seles or Navratilova were fit and 5, 10 and 15 years younger respectively, they'd all easily be Top 5 if not higher.

And while we're talking about Nav, she took a top 10 player to 3 sets in her first tournament back at 47
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Re: If ever evidence were needed of the Dire condition of Women's Tennis...

You know she also lost badly to Jill Craybas not that long ago.

Also we had this discussion when Hingis came back and "stormed" the tour, making the QF in her first slam back. But we all saw what happened after she had been on tour for awhile longer.
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You know she also lost badly to Jill Craybas not that long ago.

Also we had this discussion when Hingis came back and "stormed" the tour, making the QF in her first slam back. But we all saw what happened after she had been on tour for awhile longer.
Hingis is in a completely different league than Date.

And frankly, Hingis's problems were more her fitness and her serve. It seemed to get worse as the year went on. When she first came back, she was hitting 110 MPH serves and then just stopped for some reason.

I have no doubt that a fit Hingis would be Top 10 easily and would be competitive with everyone around her. She'd be kind of like Seles post-stabbing. Always knocking at the door, just not getting through.
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Re: If ever evidence were needed of the Dire condition of Women's Tennis...

Its 2009, age isnt what is use to be. Age is better now. Pretty soon 38 will be a spring chicken.

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Just quit complaining

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Re: If ever evidence were needed of the Dire condition of Women's Tennis...

Go watch ATP if you hate it so much. No one forces you to watch WTA.

Go retire again.
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Re: If ever evidence were needed of the Dire condition of Women's Tennis...

While the hell do you still post around here? I thought you retired from these forums.

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Re: If ever evidence were needed of the Dire condition of Women's Tennis...

I think it says more about an exceptional player who refuses to let age trump her love of the game.
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Re: If ever evidence were needed of the Dire condition of Women's Tennis...

Maybe it's a sign : time to retire...again ?
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Hingis is in a completely different league than Date.

And frankly, Hingis's problems were more her fitness and her serve. It seemed to get worse as the year went on. When she first came back, she was hitting 110 MPH serves and then just stopped for some reason.

I have no doubt that a fit Hingis would be Top 10 easily and would be competitive with everyone around her. She'd be kind of like Seles post-stabbing. Always knocking at the door, just not getting through.
Might do even better as the people who troubled her are gone or injured - i would fancy her against most of the top 10 that actually play enough to get in her way up the rankings. JJ ? Ana? Vera? Dina on a bad day, let alone the youngsters who are inconsistent and have no idea of tactics or strateg ? Given all the people who can get to aGS final these days I wouldn't put that past her.
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Re: If ever evidence were needed of the Dire condition of Women's Tennis...

watch Safina v. Kudryatseva and try and say the tour is not deeper. Kudyratseva is ranked 70 but on a good day she can hang w/ the top 10. that wasn't the case at all 10-15 years ago. I think there are a lot of big hitters out there and so there's more up and down results and a healthy mix of pushers floating to the top. But otherwise I'd say the tour is much deeper.
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Re: If ever evidence were needed of the Dire condition of Women's Tennis...

There are plenty of retired ATP players who could come back and compete.

Anyway, the first 16 words of your post remove all credibility from the rest of the post.

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