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What did Venus learn

Venus Williams hints at secret knowledge in glory bid
by John Weaver 5 hours, 39 minutes



HONG KONG (AFP) - A confident Venus Williams says she is going into the new season armed with knowledge that will help her defeat her rivals after a thumping win over world number one Jelena Jankovic.

The Wimbledon champion beat the world number one 6-2, 6-2 on Thursday, helping inspire her Americas team to a semi-final victory over Europe in Hong Kong's World Team Challenge.

She admitted she had gleaned vital information about her own game and her opponents' games from her final two events of 2008, both of which she won, including her first victory at the season-ending WTA Tour Championships.

"In my last two tournaments actually I learned a lot and I've just taken that knowledge into this year so I think it'll help me to play more effectively and hopefully smarter and (bring) good wins."

Williams, who also beat Jankovic in the Tour Championships, refused to be drawn on what she had uncovered. "I can just say I learned a lot," she said.


"I'm feeling fresh. I loved the break way too much. It's hard to come to terms with having to go back to practice but I did and I did a good job of practice, hopefully this result shows that," the seven-time Grand Slam champion said.

"I have a great feeling about this season. I have a great feeling about my life in general so it's across the board," the 28-year-old added.

And the world number six said she was aware it was important not to be too harsh on herself when her game was not clicking.

"I'm never satisfied. Sometimes in the past that's been my downfall, like it was never good enough for me, so then I'd lose a match I shouldn't have because I was too hard on myself and wanted this elevated standard that might not even exist," Williams said.

"I feel confident. I've won all kinds of tournaments, all different kinds of ways in all different kinds of circumstances. Obviously I want everything to be ideal.

"I want to play great, and never lose serve and feel healthy throughout. That would be fantastic but we'll see what happens when the dice roll," she added.

Jankovic, meanwhile, who is using the Hong Kong exhibition tournament to sharpen up ahead of a bid to win her first Grand Slam crown, admitted she was rusty and was also coming to terms with her new body shape after fitness and strengthening work during the close season.

"For me it's a little bit different. I'm not used to that at the moment so it will take time for me as well to get used to my new body, to the stronger Jelena but I hope that I will get better and better as I play more matches," the 23-year-old Serbian said.

The Americas will meet top seeds Russia in the JB Group Classic World Team Challenge gold group final while Europe will play Asia-Pacific in the silver group final.
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Queen take all the 4 GS this year

Her game does seem a bit different, it looks controlled and fluid, some of the shots are so smooth. Before she used to hit shots I bet every of her fan prayed that the ball would land inside the baseline, they used to look erratic. Now they seem more refined, just hope she hasnt made changed to her very agresive game play .

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Its called topspin She rolls her shots in now a lot more rather than hit hit hit. However, she doesn't move as well as she used to so it doesn't work as well as it might have maybe 5 years ago.
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Its called topspin She rolls her shots in now a lot more rather than hit hit hit. However, she doesn't move as well as she used to so it doesn't work as well as it might have maybe 5 years ago.
I know but somehow, she doesnt seem to have sacrificed a lot pace for that, normally when we put heavy topspin they compensate it by lose the power on their shots.
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I know but somehow, she doesnt seem to have sacrificed a lot pace for that, normally when we put heavy topspin they compensate it by lose the power on their shots.
Not necessarily. I mean your MPH is going to drop when you add spin simply because the spin slows the ball down. Venus might be able to hit 80 MPH flat backhands down the line, but she sure as hell can't hit that with topspin - Nadal can, but no woman can.

Anyway, you can still hit good deep topspin shots that make up for their loss speed with bite, depth and the height of the ball.
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Queen take all the 4 GS this year

Her game does seem a bit different, it looks controlled and fluid, some of the shots are so smooth. Before she used to hit shots which I bet every of her fan prayed to land inside the baseline, they used to look erratic. Now they seem more refined, just hope she hasnt made changed to her very agresive game play .
exactly. my heart would stop everytime she went for a DTL forehand she added more top spin but didnt lose her pace , she just knows when to unleash the power , this is like the Venus of 2000/2001 all over again the way she is playing reminds me of the way Serena played at the 2008 Usopen final. im loving it

i think that she found a way to deal with Jelena imo this gave a big boost to her confidence

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I think Venus now finally realises that her greatest strength isn't her serve, as powerful as that may be, and it isn't her hard hit groundies either, as formidable as they are. Venus's greatest strength is that she is the fastest thing in women's tennis. Venus can actually do Jankovic better than Jankovic can when she puts her mind to it. Venus doesn't need to outhit her opponents, and long as she keeps the ball in play she is extremely tough to beat. And that is where Venus has struggled in the past. She has played the game believing she has to hit brilliant groundstrokes all the time and in trying to do so ended up making a lot of errors and negating her greatest strength, her court coverage. Now I think Venus understands that if she just hits solid groundies and only goes for the kill when she has moderately easy put away she is actually a much tougher opponent. Simply Venus is keeping the ball in the court and not giving her opponents the gifts she used to thus allowing herself to win via her amazing court coverage.

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I think Venus now finally realises that her greatest strength isn't her serve, as powerful as that may be, and it isn't her hard hit groundies either, as formidable as they are. Venus's greatest strength is that she is the fastest thing in women's tennis. Venus can actually do Jankovic better than Jankovic can when she puts her mind to it. Venus doesn't need to outhit her opponents, and long as she keeps the ball in play she is extremely tough to beat. And that is where Venus has struggled in the past. She has played the game believing she has to hit brilliant groundstrokes all the time and in trying to do so ended up making a lot of errors and negating her greatest strength, her court coverage. Now I think Venus understands that if she just hits solid groundies and only goes for the kill when she has moderately easy put away she is actually a much tougher opponent. Simply Venus is keeping the ball in the court and not giving her opponents the gifts she used to thus allowing herself to win via her amazing court coverage.
Exactly, thats almost what she does at Wimbledon every year. You can see her use the court courage to her advantage , exploit the opponents attacking game , and then punish the short or the loose balls.
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Its called topspin She rolls her shots in now a lot more rather than hit hit hit. However, she doesn't move as well as she used to so it doesn't work as well as it might have maybe 5 years ago.
She's been hitting with a lot more topspin since coming back from her 2004 ab injury. It really can't be that.

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Venus is the best player on tour right now, IMHO
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Serena can hit very hard topspin shots, she always hits with spin and still reaches 70 mph easily. Venus can do too, she just never tried it that much
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Go V... win the AO

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Venus is the best player on tour right now, IMHO
Between Zurich and the YEC she beat the #1, #2, #3, #4 and #5 ranked players. If you clean out the top five, yeah, you're probably playing the best tennis on tour. But HK isn't a measure that it's gonna carry over to this year. And there is the injury bug.


But obviously, she ending the year better than anyone else, and she isn't showing any signs of slacking off.

Ten days to go .....

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Generally agree. She's looking good, but I urge fans to hold their excitement until we see her playing in the AO. She's more relaxed and confident though at the start of this year compared to the end of last, so we shall see. *\o/*
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Queen take all the 4 GS this year

Her game does seem a bit different, it looks controlled and fluid, some of the shots are so smooth. Before she used to hit shots I bet every of her fan prayed that the ball would land inside the baseline, they used to look erratic. Now they seem more refined, just hope she hasnt made changed to her very agresive game play .

Topspin+ decent enough pace, Lovint it
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