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View Poll Results: When Will We Have The Next Great Player?
2009 11 15.94%
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2011 15 21.74%
2012 11 15.94%
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post #31 of 145 (permalink) Old Jan 6th, 2009, 11:53 AM
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Well I think when we are 'in' the next generation, Venus, Serena are gone, the serbs are old, we will have a new outstanding player or two and we will see that as the game progresses winning nearly 20 Grand Slams just isn't feasible anymore.

I think people will come to look back on Serena's, Henin's 7-9(+?) Grand Slams as very valuable indeed. I forsee skilled number ones of the future striving for for that seventh slam, the competition at the top will just be so fierce (one would hope).

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Serena is the last-and only fifth in history- player to hold all four majors at once. She is by far the greatest player since Seles, arguably since Graf. There have been other greats in her generation such as Venus,Martina and Justine but she is the greatest among them. Sharapova is the greatest player of the new generation, right now she is Serena's heiress. If she can keep that title -be the greatest of her generation- the answer is Sharapova.

How long is the maximum amount of time between two greats in history? Since Evert-first major in 74...Navrat-78...Graf-87....Seles-90....Hingis-97.....Serena-99...Venus-00....Henin-03....Sharapova-04.

You can see the lack of greats in Graf era. She came almost 10 years after Navratilova and her only competition till Hingis got stabbed You can clearly see how overrated she is.

Golden generation is 80-83 girls. So many great players in the same era. You can see how great Serena is by looking at her competition. She even had a chance to beat down Graf Still going strong....
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I don't even think Sharapova is really a different generation from Serena/Venus/Justine. Since Maria won her first Slam, Venus and Serena have both won 3 slams (same as Maria) and Justine won 4 slams (one more than Maria).
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I don't think Sharapova has qualified as a "great" player just yet.

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As someone said, I think Serena is the only one even close to be considered a truly distinguished "great" player. She has won all four majors at least once, has won everything in doubles, etc. etc. She is clearly the best person of this generation, and likely will be after they all retire. Although Seles and Serena aren't Evert-Navratilova-Graf level, they're realistically as close as we're going to get and they still separate themselves comfortably from their contemporaries.

So while Sharapova is clearly the best of her generation, it remains to be seen whether she could be the next great. If you compare her to Evert-Navratilova-Graf-Seles-Serena, she doesn't fit the pattern of raising the game to a new level. All of those players did. Sharapova is just a Seles clone, basically. A very good one at that, but she hasn't added anything new. Steffi Graf said Serena would be the best player of all time back in 1999 before she even won a slam, no one is saying that about Sharapova. Its not a knock on her, but she doesn't really do anything that others haven't before her.

Can she win 6+ slams and win the French Open? Its certainly possible. She hasn't shown the ability to be healthy for long stretches of time, which is worrisome. Also, her best tennis seems to come in spurts rather than in long periods (derailed by injuries, however). If Venus and Justine with their better talent couldn't do it though, I doubt she will.
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Serena is the last-and only fifth in history- player to hold all four majors at once. She is by far the greatest player since Seles, arguably since Graf. There have been other greats in her generation such as Venus,Martina and Justine but she is the greatest among them. Sharapova is the greatest player of the new generation, right now she is Serena's heiress. If she can keep that title -be the greatest of her generation- the answer is Sharapova.

How long is the maximum amount of time between two greats in history? Since Evert-first major in 74...Navrat-78...Graf-87....Seles-90....Hingis-97.....Serena-99...Venus-00....Henin-03....Sharapova-04.

You can see the lack of greats in Graf era. She came almost 10 years after Navratilova and her only competition till Hingis got stabbed You can clearly see how overrated she is.

Golden generation is 80-83 girls. So many great players in the same era. You can see how great Serena is by looking at her competition. She even had a chance to beat down Graf Still going strong....

You think Maria ("I am one shoulder injury away from oblivion") Sharapova is the next great player. Yet, you think Graf is overrated.

Ok, whatever... I'm not worried because it is not the consensus of those writing tennis history. Here is the consensus --- http://www.chrisevert.net/flink.html. Steve Flink on the the subject of Chris Evert and who was the best singles player ever. It wasn't Chris Evert and the author of the article is hardly impressed with Sharapova. That is the consensus. What you have to say is not.

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Both Serena and Venus Williams will certainly go down as great players. With Sharapova it's too early to tell.

Looking to the future I'd have doubts over de Brito and Wozniacki. I've only seen de Brito play once (in a Wim qualies match when she lost to Foretz) so admittedly not a lot to go on, and while her focus and intensity were extraordinary, she didn't seem to me to have many weapons to her actual game, and her serve was very ordinary.

Maybe Robson could become a great player as she seems to have many of the attributes (and is feisty too), but still way too early to tell.
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You think Maria ("I am one shoulder injury away from oblivion") Sharapova is the next great player. Yet, you think Graf is overrated.

Ok, whatever... I'm not worried because it is not the consensus of those writing tennis history. Here is the consensus --- http://www.chrisevert.net/flink.html. Steve Flink on the the subject of Chris Evert and who was the best singles player ever. It wasn't Chris Evert and the author of the article is hardly impressed with Sharapova. That is the consensus. What you have to say is not.
Who is your candidate? Sharapova is the most accomplished player under 22. I don't think Maria is great yet but she is the closest in under22 generation.

Graf is overrated. She is an alltime great and nobody can say otherwise bu she is overrated. Your opinion won't change it. Her era even lacked "lack of competition"
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Now, to be fair, Sharapova certainly cannot be called a great player - neither can Venus.
Since 'great' is a fuzzy term at best, I won't disagree with you about Venus. What I will say is that, depending on how you rank doubles, Venus has had, so fa, somewhere between the 11th and 15th best careers in the history of women's tennis.

But if your definition of 'great player' is Court, Wills Moody, Nav, King, Graf, Evert, Lenglen, Serena, Seles and Connolly, well Venus isn't quite in that class. But she's not done either. So ....

My prediction is that the next 'great player' will be ... Venus Williams.

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Give these players time, did anyone think Henin would turn into the legend she became in 2002? When she was losing to Hantuchova in Slams and getting knocked all over the court?

The Serbs have the potential to be very special, we'll just have to wait and see.

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When Brie picks her game and head together, then we can see a GREAT player arriving!

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