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Sharapova's Shoulder and The "Whip" Forehand

Does anyone else wonder if "the whip" forehand has anything to do with the shoulder injury? I know a lot of players use, especially Lansdorp students.. (Davenport, Myskina) but Maria uses it even more than the traditional "correct" forehand (over the shoulder).

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Re: Sharapova's Shoulder and The "Whip" Forehand

I see where your coming from, but the "whip" or "lasso" forehand would have more stress on the wrist then the shoulder as the wrist is used to whip behind the ball and follow through around the head. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Davenport and Myskina have never had major shoulder problems, so I don't think it's that much of an issue.
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Re: Sharapova's Shoulder and The "Whip" Forehand

I think it does. To me, it looks unnatural and kind of painful..
It works, but it isn't the greatest technique.
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Re: Sharapova's Shoulder and The "Whip" Forehand

definitely
the weird rotation of the shoulder that it creates would definitely put stress on the rotator cuff

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Re: Sharapova's Shoulder and The "Whip" Forehand

im guessing her team of doctors have thought of this
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Re: Sharapova's Shoulder and The "Whip" Forehand

Nadal uses the "whip" style forehand also, he has never had a shoulder injury. I think it's Marias serve that's giving her problems... it's so exaggerated
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Re: Sharapova's Shoulder and The "Whip" Forehand

Yes, Mark Woodforde was commenting on it and how it was an injury waiting to occur. Davenport only does the whip-lassoo forehand sometimes, and Nastya does it sometimes too but it doesn't injure her because she had supreme footwork. Maria does not and hence, being in poor position and making contact with that whip forehand of hers can cause her some trouble.

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Re: Sharapova's Shoulder and The "Whip" Forehand

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Nadal uses the "whip" style forehand also, he has never had a shoulder injury. I think it's Marias serve that's giving her problems... it's so exaggerated
Nadal is a man, so he is therefore a lot stronger than Sharapova. However, we don't know that Nadal won't develop similar problems in the future.

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Re: Sharapova's Shoulder and The "Whip" Forehand

This "lasso" topspin fh, or how do you call it in English, is used only in certain situations. For example when you don't have enough time to hit a "standard" fh with over the left shoulder followthrough (if you play with right hand). That mostly happens when your opponent hits a low shot close to the longline in your deuce court. In my opinion it shouldn't cause any major stress on your right shoulder as it is not a move you do that often (contrary to serve for example). I would like to read OsloErik's opinion on this issue, though.

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Re: Sharapova's Shoulder and The "Whip" Forehand

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Nadal uses the "whip" style forehand also, he has never had a shoulder injury. I think it's Marias serve that's giving her problems... it's so exaggerated
i also think maria's serve is the main problem. but the lasso forehand doesn't help either.

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This "lasso" topspin fh, or how do you call it in English, is used only in certain situations. For example when you don't have enough time to hit a "standard" fh with over the left shoulder followthrough (if you play with right hand). That mostly happens when your opponent hits a low shot close to the longline in your deuce court. In my opinion it shouldn't cause any major stress on your right shoulder as it is not a move you do that often (contrary to serve for example). I would like to read OsloErik's opinion on this issue, though.
While people like Clijsters and Davenport do it in certain situations, only in the last few years has Maria developed a more traditional follow-through. As I said, people with excellent footwork like Myskina and Jankovic can do it no problems because they're in position.

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Re: Sharapova's Shoulder and The "Whip" Forehand

I use the lassu forehand in my game too, but not as much as Masha. Normally I use my over shoulder forehand, the normal one. However I use my lassu is the ball is bouncing high to my forehand, if I want to generate a lot of pace to hit hard cross court, if I'm on the run down the line of forehand side, or to create a acute angle FH CC.

I think it could be a problem for her shoulder
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Nastya used it a lot of grass

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Re: Sharapova's Shoulder and The "Whip" Forehand

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While people like Clijsters and Davenport do it in certain situations, only in the last few years has Maria developed a more traditional follow-through. As I said, people with excellent footwork like Myskina and Jankovic can do it no problems because they're in position.
Well, I can't comment on Sharapova's forehand development as I don't follow her career. But perhaps she might be sort of forced to use the lasso shot more often as she is so tall, therefore she faces more "low" shots than shorter players? Her footwork as you say doesn't help either because she is more prone to be caught on backfoot than say, using your examples, Jankovic or Myskina. It's an interesting topic and I am opened to read more.
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Nastya used it a lot of grass

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im guessing her team of doctors have thought of this
Maria's medical team has thought of nothing. More than three years now since she began having injuries in the same area and they are yet to make a correct diagnosis or make a right decision.

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