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Venus has never played better than she is currently.

Her serve has never been more in control. Venus has never been better at net or came to net as consistently. Her forehand is the best it has been period. True her backhand is not as good and maybe she has lost 1/2 a step. But her mental game is better. Venus despite some physical issues is playing the best tennis of her life.

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Re: Venus has never played better than she is currently.

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Um...

She hasn't actually PLAYED in a while. I know she ended on a winning streak and is undoubtedly a chief favorite going into the Australian, BUT...it's hard to tell whether she'll build on the YEC win or not. While they aren't the same player by any stretch of the imagination, look what happened to Henin. She goes from not losing after Wimbledon to imploding against Sharapova (!!!) and plummeting toward retirement.
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Re: Venus has never played better than she is currently.

2nd half of last season is for sure her best tennis since 2002, but between 2000-2002 she is more "complete" player which played without problems whole season and at all surfaces on same high level. In last 5 seasons she maybe not believe enough in her body or simple give-up of slow surfaces (clay and medium-fast HC) so she used 1st half of seasons just like warm-up for grass and USO hardcourts part of season. Actually she make little exception in 2008 playing well and seriously indoors and YEC. Maybe she will continue to playing her very best tennis in Melbourne, but i'm in doubt that she will take any risk between February and June, so i expect again from her to "tank" 1st half of season (except AO). It's strange, but biggest advantage which i notice in her game when compare with 2003-2007 period is actually her fitness! She again remind on her before-2003 phase, able to plays on same level back-to-back tournaments and stays at same level in 3rd set of long matches against TOP opponents.

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Re: Venus has never played better than she is currently.

Well lets see if she can keep it up, I was mostly impressed with her durability and her mentals side at the YEC, which has been letting her down constantly since 03. She needs to fix that backhand though, her forehand was the outstanding shot in the fall, suprisingly.
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Re: Venus has never played better than she is currently.

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Re: Venus has never played better than she is currently.

Since 2002, I have only been able to watch Venus through the gaps in my fingers coz I never know whether that powerful, athletic attempt at a winner is actually gonna hit the court. But at the end of 2008, I removed the hands. Hope the break hasn't made her forget how to get that ball on the ground before it passes the baseline! She just needs some matchplay.

(I gave up on watching her in early rounds at wimbledon 06 and 07 coz everything was going long. Still, I like her 0 compromise - shows confidence. And it only took a few years for some consistency again . But I have my fingers crossed for Vee for the Australian )

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2nd half of last season is for sure her best tennis since 2002, but between 2000-2002 she is more "complete" player which played without problems whole season and at all surfaces on same high level. In last 5 seasons she maybe not believe enough in her body or simple give-up of slow surfaces (clay and medium-fast HC) so she used 1st half of seasons just like warm-up for grass and USO hardcourts part of season. Actually she make little exception in 2008 playing well and seriously indoors and YEC. Maybe she will continue to playing her very best tennis in Melbourne, but i'm in doubt that she will take any risk between February and June, so i expect again from her to "tank" 1st half of season (except AO). It's strange, but biggest advantage which i notice in her game when compare with 2003-2007 period is actually her fitness! She again remind on her before-2003 phase, able to plays on same level back-to-back tournaments and stays at same level in 3rd set of long matches against TOP opponents.
Thats definitely not true. Yes, her results were better, but her overall game wasn't. She was still hitting 68 MPH second serves, double faulting 12 times in a match and missing every other shot.

She was just extremely confident.

Her serve I would say is the best it has been. She hasn't had a double fault spree in a little while, and her second serves have significantly more spin than they used to. Movement wise shes still quick, but not as quick as she used to be (which is to be expected). Net game is better, forehand - at least occasionally - has more spin on it and she hits through it rather than off the back foot. Her backhand isn't as solid as it once was, but its still a well hit shot.
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And I agree people are getting a little over excited. She could go back to playing piss poor again - there is no guarantee. Just like she can go from losing in the 3rd round of the French Open to winning Wimbledon 2 weeks later. She is very unpredictable.
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Re: Venus has never played better than she is currently.

I think she's more consistent than ever, but there is less power on her groundstrokes.
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Re: Venus has never played better than she is currently.

Venus' BEST tennis, in the last half of 2008, is better than her BEST tennis has ever been. However she's less consistent than she was in 2000.

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Re: Venus has never played better than she is currently.

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I think she's more consistent than ever, but there is less power on her groundstrokes.
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Venus' BEST tennis, in the last half of 2008, is better than her BEST tennis has ever been. However she's less consistent than she was in 2000.
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Her serve has never been more in control. Venus has never been better at net or came to net as consistently. Her forehand is the best it has been period. True her backhand is not as good and maybe she has lost 1/2 a step. But her mental game is better. Venus despite some physical issues is playing the best tennis of her life.
yes yes yes...
and i have to tell you...!!

I watched all her matches in YEC more than 3 times each..
except
vs Dementieva..
and it was very good...

but i think that
she was also good
on 2004 CLAY COURT RUN...

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I think she's more consistent than ever, but there is less power on her groundstrokes.
yes yes yes...
quite consistent i believe...
but notice... how she mixes her shots...
she goes into that
FranSchiavone-Zurich match
into hard hitting vs Serena..
where she just lovingly guide that forehand...
shes more finessy i should say..

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And I agree people are getting a little over excited. She could go back to playing piss poor again - there is no guarantee. Just like she can go from losing in the 3rd round of the French Open to winning Wimbledon 2 weeks later. She is very unpredictable.
NO...
she only play poorly
is when she gets INJURED...
and that
INJURY+POOR PLAY=LOSS...

when shes healthy...
HEALTHY+POOR PLAY=Wins....
except against
those top players that she
has history with...
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Re: Venus has never played better than she is currently.

There was nothing wrong with Venus at the beginning of the year last year and she played like crap. Venus was healthy for most of 2004 and she played like crap.

The nature of her play is very high risk and her opponents are often those with very low risk (i.e. Jankovic), so she is more vulnerable to loss than she was in the past.
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Re: Venus has never played better than she is currently.

but her movement and her forehand
have been pretty tamed so far...
and that second serve
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There was nothing wrong with Venus at the beginning of the year last year and she played like crap. Venus was healthy for most of 2004 and she played like crap.

The nature of her play is very high risk and her opponents are often those with very low risk (i.e. Jankovic), so she is more vulnerable to loss than she was in the past.
healthy??

she was still COMING back from that
tummy injury...
at Tokyo [Pan Pacific] (withdrew prior to match w/right lower leg muscle strain, causing withdrawal from Antwerp as well)
twisted her ankle in Berlin...
(not and injury but)got cheated in Wimbledon...
wrist Injury again at Stanford

uhhmmm...
and compare that to 2008
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