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Make your Schedule 4 the 2009 WTA Calendar! ... and then realize how crappy it is...

Assume you are a top 10 player who is trying to adjust to the new calendar.

You have to make your schedule for the year 2009. And you have to do it today

What would it be?

Here is the 2009 calendar: http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/2...urCalendar.pdf

Rules partially taken from here: FACTS regarding 2009 WTA Calendar

Here are the rules:
  • You must play in all FOUR mandatory tournaments (IW, Miami, Madrid, Beijing) (you aren't Venus or Serena, sorry)
  • You must play at least SIX additional "Premier" level tournaments. FOUR of them must be $2,000,000 (Dubai-Rome-Cincinatti-Toronto-Tokyo)
  • You CANNOT play in more than TWO "International" level tournaments. If playing two, ONE must be pre-Wimbledon, and the other ONE must be post-Wimbledon.
  • If you want to skip a Grand Slam (or two, or three, or four), go ahead.
  • If you want to skip the YEC, go ahead, but assume that you have enough points to qualify for it. You also receive a Zero Pointer if you don't go.
  • You may also assume you have are eligible to play fed cup.

Keep in mind that "***Each top 10 player has to play every Premium tournament at least once every other year***"
***total # of ranked tournaments is best of 16***

To keep things consistent, please copy (ctrl+c) and paste (ctrl+v) this format:

Week of
Jan 5
Jan 12
Jan 19 Australian Open
Jan 26 Australian Open
Feb 2 Fed Cup I
Feb 9
Feb 16
Feb 23
Mar 2
Mar 11 Indian Wells
Mar 16 Indian Wells
Mar 25 Miami
Mar 30 Miami
Apr 6
Apr 13
Apr 20 Fed Cup II
Apr 27
May 4
May 9 Madrid
May 18
May 25 Roland Garros
Jun 1 Roland Garros
Jun 8
Jun 15
Jun 22 Wimbledon
Jun 29 Wimbledon
Jul 6
Jul 13
Jul 20
Jul 27
Aug 3
Aug 10
Aug 17
Aug 24
Aug 31 US Open
Sep 7 US Open
Sep 14
Sep 21
Sep 28
Oct 3 Beijing
Oct 12
Oct 19
Oct 26 YEC
Nov 2 Fed Cup Final

Total # of Tournaments = X ( = Y + Z + GS)
Total # of Premier Tournaments = Y ( = 4 [mandatory premier] + YEC + non-mandatory premier)
Total # of International Tournaments = Z
  • *note how the weeks aren't always 7 days apart (that's how they are displayed on the official calendar)
  • *The total # of tournaments does not include FED CUP


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Here is what my schedule would be:

Week of
Jan 5 Auckland (ASB Classic)
Jan 12
Jan 19 Australian Open
Jan 26 Australian Open
Feb 2 Fed Cup I
Feb 9
Feb 16 Dubai
Feb 23
Mar 2
Mar 11 Indian Wells
Mar 16 Indian Wells
Mar 25 Miami
Mar 30 Miami
Apr 6
Apr 13 Charleston
Apr 20 Fed Cup II
Apr 27
May 4 Rome
May 9 Madrid
May 18
May 25 Roland Garros
Jun 1 Roland Garros
Jun 8
Jun 15
Jun 22 Wimbledon
Jun 29 Wimbledon
Jul 6 Bastad (Nordea Nordic Light Open)
Jul 13
Jul 20
Jul 27 Stanford
Aug 3 Los Angeles
Aug 10
Aug 17 Toronto
Aug 24
Aug 31 US Open
Sep 7 US Open
Sep 14
Sep 21
Sep 28 Tokyo
Oct 3 Beijing
Oct 12
Oct 19
Oct 26 YEC
Nov 2 Fed Cup Final

Total # of Tournaments = 18 ( = 4 + 12 + 2)
Total # of Premier Tournaments = 12 ( = 4 + 1 + 7)
Total # of International Tournaments = 2

- I like to play tournaments, but I am wary of overplaying, and always like a week break before a GS.
-I played Stanford-Los Angeles-Toronto instead of Stanford-Cincinatti-Toronto since I live in Los Angeles.
-I play Auckland so I can get used to the Southern Hemisphere Summer before I play AO.
-I play Sweden, Nordea Nordic Light Open, since I haven't been to Sweden, and otherwise, I wouldn't have anything to do for three weeks after Wimbledon (unless of course i won wimbly. )
-I play Charleston since I love green clay
-I play Tokyo-Beijing since I would love to go to Japan and it would be good preparation for Beijing.

My schedule is awesome for me because I never play for more than three weeks in a row (including FedCup, excluding IW-Miami), and if I do, it involves a Grand Slam, which have breaks in between days. I am only playing three more additional premier tournaments than the required ten (4 mandatory + 6 non-mandatory). However, my schedule the following year would be crap. >_<

Here is my Year 2 Schedule
Week of
Jan 5
Jan 12 Sydney
Jan 19 Australian Open
Jan 26 Australian Open
Feb 2 Fed Cup I
Feb 9 Paris
Feb 16 Dubai
Feb 23
Mar 2
Mar 11 Indian Wells
Mar 16 Indian Wells
Mar 25 Miami
Mar 30 Miami
Apr 6
Apr 13
Apr 20 Fed Cup II
Apr 27 Stuttgart
May 4
May 9 Madrid
May 18 Berlin
May 25 Roland Garros
Jun 1 Roland Garros
Jun 8
Jun 15 Eastbourne
Jun 22 Wimbledon
Jun 29 Wimbledon
Jul 6
Jul 13
Jul 20
Jul 27
Aug 3
Aug 10 Cincinnati
Aug 17 Toronto
Aug 24 New Haven
Aug 31 US Open
Sep 7 US Open
Sep 14
Sep 21
Sep 28 Tokyo
Oct 3 Beijing
Oct 12
Oct 19 Moscow
Oct 26 YEC
Nov 2 Fed Cup Final

Total # of Tournaments = 20 ( = 4 + 16)
Total # of Premier Tournaments = 16 ( = 4 + 1 + 11)
Total # of International Tournaments = 0

Therefore, top 10 players can no longer schedule with only the following year in mind. They need to schedule two years.

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Re: Make your Schedule for the 2009 WTA Calendar! Yay!

Jan 5
Jan 12 Sydney
Jan 19 Australian Open
Jan 26 Australian Open
Feb 2 Fed Cup I - I would ask to skip this Fed Cup, assuming i'm a top player with the clout to do so.
Feb 9 - Paris
Feb 16 - Dubai
Feb 23
Mar 2
Mar 11 Indian Wells
Mar 16 Indian Wells
Mar 25 Miami
Mar 30 Miami
Apr 6
Apr 13 Charleston
Apr 20 Fed Cup II
Apr 27 Stuttgart
May 4 Rome
May 9 Madrid
May 18
May 25 Roland Garros
Jun 1 Roland Garros
Jun 8 Birmingham (this really should be T1)
Jun 15
Jun 22 Wimbledon
Jun 29 Wimbledon
Jul 6
Jul 13
Jul 20
Jul 27 Stanford
Aug 3 Los Angeles
Aug 10 Cincinatti
Aug 17 Toronto
Aug 24
Aug 31 US Open
Sep 7 US Open
Sep 14
Sep 21
Sep 28 Toray PPO
Oct 3 Beijing
Oct 12
Oct 19 Moscow
Oct 26 YEC
Nov 2 Fed Cup Final


22 Total Tournaments. sounds fine.
I've never played on grass or clay, so I wouldn't know how well I would play.
I would probably play every single USOpen Series Tournament if they moved it up a week or two to guaranteed some rest time (a week!) before the Us Open.
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Re: Make your Schedule for the 2009 WTA Calendar! Yay!

Week of
Jan 5
Jan 12 Sydney
Jan 19 Australian Open
Jan 26 Australian Open
Feb 2 Fed Cup I
Feb 9
Feb 16 Dubai
Feb 23
Mar 2
Mar 11 Indian Wells
Mar 16 Indian Wells
Mar 25 Miami
Mar 30 Miami
Apr 6
Apr 13
Apr 20 Fed Cup II
Apr 27 Stuttgart
May 4 Rome
May 9 Madrid
May 18
May 25 Roland Garros
Jun 1 Roland Garros
Jun 8
Jun 15 Eastbourne
Jun 22 Wimbledon
Jun 29 Wimbledon
Jul 6
Jul 13
Jul 20
Jul 27
Aug 3- Los Angles
Aug 10 Cincinnati
Aug 17 Toronto
Aug 24
Aug 31 US Open
Sep 7 US Open
Sep 14
Sep 21
Sep 28 Tokyo
Oct 3 Beijing
Oct 12
Oct 19 Luxembourg
Oct 26 YEC
Nov 2 Fed Cup Final

18 Tournaments + Fed Cup + YEC
13 Premier Tournaments + 4 Majors + 1 ITF

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Re: Make your Schedule 4 the 2009 WTA Calendar! ... and then realize how crappy it is

This is what happens with trying to obtain optimal scheduling as the result of all the rules listed here FACTS regarding 2009 WTA Calendar

Keep in mind these following rules:
***Each top 10 player has to play every Premium tournament at least once every other year***
***Mandatory to play 4 out of 5 $2,000,000 tournaments***
***Also keep in mind the temporal positioning of each tournament***
http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/2...urCalendar.pdf

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Why are the rules so complicated and why can't they just mush all these combinations into a simpler rule?

Anyways, If we look at the schedule, out of the mandatory 4 out of 5 $2,000,000 tournaments, every top 10 player will play Tokyo and Dubai every year -- Tokyo is away from the Grand Slams, and doesn't have 50 million other premier events scheduled around it; Dubai also doesn't have 50 million other premier events scheduled around it, and they always offer good money. What I say below will also help further this statement.

That leaves the player to decide three out of Rome, Cincinatti, and Toronto. That means...
Rome-Cincinnati, Rome-Toronto, or Cincinnati-Toronto.

If we combine this with scheduling mandatory events, and Grand Slams, you get these possible combinations, trying to give as many weeks off as possible:


Rome (player chooses Rome every year)
Year 1 // Year 2

Charleston-Fed Cup-Week Off-Rome-Madrid-Berlin-Roland Garros // Week Off-Fed Cup-Stuttgart-Rome-Madrid-Week Off-Roland Garros

or

Charleston-Fed Cup-Stuttgart-Rome-Madrid-Week Off-Roland Garros // Week Off-Fed Cup-WeekOff-Rome-Madrid-Berlin-Roland Garros

or

Charleston-Fed Cup-Week Off-Rome-Madrid-Week Off-Roland Garros // Week Off-Fed Cup-Stuttgart-Rome-Madrid-Berlin-Roland Garros

Anyway you put it, if player plays Rome every year, player would have to play at least five weeks in a row during clay season at least once every two years, even if you say "f*** you" to Fed Cup.

===

If player wants to avoid that Rome situation, here is your other option -> play...

Cincinnati-Toronto (every year, and just play Rome every other year)
Year 1 // Year 2

Stanford-Week Off-Cincinnati-Toronto-Week Off-USOpen // Week Off-Los Angeles-Cincinnati-Toronto-New Haven-USOpen

or

Stanford-Los Angeles-Cincinnati-Toronto-Week Off-USOpen // Week Off-Week Off-Cincinnati-Toronto-New Haven-USOpen

or

Stanford-Week Off-Cincinnati-Toronto-New Haven-USOpen // Week Off-Los Angeles-Cincinnati-Toronto-Week Off-USOpen

Oh wait, same thing applies here. You have to play five weeks in a row at least once every two years.

===

So based on this information, the smart scheduler then would HAVE to play Rome-Cincinnati/Toronto one year, and then Cincinnati-Toronto the next year to avoid this situation.

For example...

Year 1 (Rome-Toronto)
Charleston-Fed Cup-Week Off-Rome-Madrid-Week Off-Roland Garros ... Stanford-Week Off-Week Off-Toronto-New Haven-USOpen

Year 2 (Cincinnati-Toronto)
Week Off-Fed Cup-Stuttgart-Week Off-Madrid-Berlin-Roland Garros ... Week Off-Los Angeles-Cincinnati-Toronto-Week Off-USOpen

Another example...
Year 1 (Cincinnati-Toronto)
Charleston-Fed Cup-Week Off-Week Off-Madrid-Berlin-Roland Garros ... Stanford-Week Off-Cincinnati-Toronto-Week Off-USOpen

Year 2 (Rome-Cincinnati)
Week Off-Fed Cup-Stuttgart-Rome-Madrid-Week Off-Roland Garros ... Week Off-Los Angeles-Cincinnati-Week Off-New Haven-USOpen

...

So it seems like doing this will force them at most to play up to four weeks in a row once every other year in the case of the second option (provided player doesn't play Fed Cup), and four weeks in a row every year in the case of the first option, which, imo, isn't as bad as five weeks in a row any year. This is all in addition to 4 weeks of IW-Miami every year.

===

Oh, but wait. If the player decides to skip one among Rome, Cincinnati, or Toronto, then the player will HAVE to play Dubai AND Tokyo every year. Tokyo will never be a problem since there is only one premier event next to it.

But lets look at Dubai.
If player has to play Dubai every year...

Dubai (every year) (this is the only option)
Year 1 // Year 2

Sydney-Australian Open-Fed Cup-Week Off-Dubai // Week Off-Australian Open-FedCup-Paris-Dubai

If player plays Fed Cup, Player will have to play four weeks in a row one year and the five weeks in a row the next.
If player doesn't play Fed Cup, then this isn't a problem.

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Ok ok, so let's say a player never plays Fed Cup. Here is what an ideal schedule would look like.

Year 1 (Dubai-Rome-Cincinnati-Tokyo)
Sydney - AO - Week Off (Fed Cup) - Week Off - Dubai - 2 Weeks Off - IW - Miami - Week Off - Charleston - Week Off (Fed Cup) - Stuttgart - Rome - Madrid - Week Off - Roland Garros - Week Off - Week Off - Wimbledon - 3 Weeks Off - Stanford - Week Off - Cincinnati - Week Off - New Haven - US Open - 2 Weeks Off - Tokyo PPO - Beijing - Week Off - Week Off - YEC

18 tournaments.

Year 2 (Dubai-Cincinnati-Toronto-Tokyo)
Week Off - AO - Week Off (Fed Cup) - Paris - Dubai - 2 Weeks Off - IW - Miami - Week Off - Week Off - Week Off (Fed Cup) - Week Off - Week Off - Madrid - Berlin - Roland Garros - Week Off - Eastbourne - Wimbledon - 3 Weeks Off - Week Off - Los Angeles - Cincinnati - Toronto - Week Off - US Open - 2 Weeks Off - Tokyo PPO - Beijing - Week Off - Moscow - YEC

18 tournaments.

The player never plays more than three weeks in a row (minus IW - Miami)

Using this example where no non-mandatory premier event is repeated, 36 (18+18) tournaments a year is the least amount of tournaments players can play every two years -- play any less, and you get fined.

So maybe the schedule isn't so bad after all! But wait...

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We can conclude the following...
  • Almost all (if not all) top 10 players will be playing Tokyo (Toray PPO) every year. Dubai will follow next with the most top 10 players average per year (if they continue to pay great appearance fees, they will be first). Then Cincinnati & Toronto will be similar. Then Rome will be last.
  • More and more players will say BYE to Fed Cup.
  • International tournaments will get extremely minimal top 10 players.
  • Everyone will not be able to make ideal schedules (18 tournaments a year) because certain tournaments will inevitably not have enough top 10 players to meet the requirements, and thus Larry Scott will force players to commit to certain tournaments.
  • A player who plays only 10 premier tournaments one year, meeting the 10 premier tournaments requirement (4 mandatory, 4 out of 5 $2mil, and 2 additional), for a total of 15 tournaments a year (premiers + 4GS + YEC) will be forced to play a crap load the next. (4 mandatory, 4 out of 5 $2mil, and 8 additional + 4GS and YEC) = 21 tournaments.


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Possible (Realistic) Solutions

1) Make it 3 out of 5 $2,000,000 instead of 4 out of 5.
2) Add another $2,000,000 tournament scheduled away from many premier events, making it 4 out of 6.
3) Upgrade any premier event to $2,000,000.
4) Get rid of some of these rules altogether.

====

To be honest though, it's not as bad as I initially thought. Just players like Serena, Venus (with her anemia), and Maria are going to have to get used to playing many more tournaments a year. No way around it. Top 10 players who don't want to play more than 18 tournaments a year will not play ANY International level tournaments.


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You also have to play at least 2 $ 700.000 tournaments, being one in Europe and one in the US. Which means you have to play either Paris Indoor or Stuttgart. And either Stanford or LA. Or all of them..

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"If you want to skip a Grand Slam (or two, or three, or four), go ahead."

They aren't mandatory anymore?
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It's so...empty.

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Each top 10 player has to play every Premium tournament at least once every other year

Get rid of that rule, let the players play want they want to play
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You also have to play at least 2 $ 700.000 tournaments, being one in Europe and one in the US. Which means you have to play either Paris Indoor or Stuttgart. And either Stanford or LA. Or all of them..
I think it is one of Paris or Stuttgart and one of Charelston, Stanford or LA. You can play more than 2 if you wish.

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I wanted to be Serena

Week of
Jan 5 ASB Classic Auckland
Jan 12
Jan 19 Australian Open
Jan 26 Australian Open
Feb 2 Fed Cup I
Feb 9
Feb 16 Dubai
Feb 23
Mar 2
Mar 11 Indian Wells
Mar 16 Indian Wells
Mar 25 Miami
Mar 30 Miami
Apr 6
Apr 13 Charleston
Apr 20 Fed Cup II
Apr 27
May 4 Rome
May 9 Madrid
May 18
May 25 Roland Garros
Jun 1 Roland Garros
Jun 8
Jun 15
Jun 22 Wimbledon
Jun 29 Wimbledon
Jul 6
Jul 13
Jul 20
Jul 27
Aug 3 LA
Aug 10 Cincinnati
Aug 17
Aug 24
Aug 31 US Open
Sep 7 US Open
Sep 14
Sep 21
Sep 28 Tokyo
Oct 3 Beijing
Oct 12
Oct 19
Oct 26 YEC
Nov 2 Fed Cup Final

If I'm a top player there is no way in hell I'll be playing Moscow and then the week after play the YEC!

I think each year I'd alternate between Rome & Stuttgart, which means I'd have to play Toronto. So that will probably mean missing LA every other year (in other words, one year Rome & LA, the next year Stuttgart and Toronto). The rest will be the same, unless I decide to play Hopman Cup. I don't like Murray so I wouldn't play with him.

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I think it is one of Paris or Stuttgart and one of Charelston, Stanford or LA. You can play more than 2 if you wish.
Really? God this is so bloody confusing.

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Each top 10 player has to play every Premium tournament at least once every other year

Get rid of that rule, let the players play want they want to play
I think that rule only applies to the $2,000,000 tournaments (Dubai, Rome, Cincinnati, Toronto and Tokyo) not every Premier tournament on the calender.

They have to play 4 of the 5 events in one year with the other being played the next year with three others.

eg Dubai, Rome, Toronto and Tokyo. Then Cincinnati, Rome, Dubai, Tokyo. Then Toronto and 3 others etc

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Each top 10 player has to play every Premium tournament at least once every other year

Get rid of that rule, let the players play want they want to play
How does that rule work if you are a top player the first year, decide not to play it, but on your second year you have a sophomore slump, your ranking drops, and you can't get entry into a "Premium" tournament?
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Men had to play 13 mandatory tournaments and it isn't big deal. but they can play where they want.
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Week of
Jan 5
Jan 12 Sydney
Jan 19 Australian Open
Jan 26 Australian Open
Feb 2 Fed Cup I
Feb 9
Feb 16 Dubai
Feb 23
Mar 2
Mar 11 Indian Wells
Mar 16 Indian Wells
Mar 25 Miami
Mar 30 Miami
Apr 6
Apr 13
Apr 20 Fed Cup II
Apr 27 Stuttgart
May 4 Rome
May 9 Madrid
May 18
May 25 Roland Garros
Jun 1 Roland Garros
Jun 8
Jun 15 Eastbourne
Jun 22 Wimbledon
Jun 29 Wimbledon
Jul 6
Jul 13
Jul 20
Jul 27 Stanford
Aug 3
Aug 10 Cincinnati
Aug 17 Toronto
Aug 24
Aug 31 US Open
Sep 7 US Open
Sep 14
Sep 21 Seoul
Sep 28
Oct 3 Beijing
Oct 12
Oct 19
Oct 26 YEC
Nov 2 Fed Cup Final

Total # of Tournaments = 18 ( = 4 + 13 + 1)
Total # of Premier Tournaments = 13 ( = 4 + 1 + 8)
Total # of International Tournaments = 1
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