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It Happened Before! To Seles!

i thought the scoring scandal had only happened once in wta history during the sprem/williams match at wimbledon, but it actually happened to seles early on.

"seles vs fernandez 3rd set tie break seles up 2-1 in the tie break.seles wins the next point then fernandez wins the point after that and the umpire calls the score 2-2 instead of 3-2 seles.then he realises he made a mistake changes the score to 3-2 fernandez,he takes a point away from seles and gives another to fernandez,in a tiebreak this is crucial and it cost seles the match.injust one point she lost 2 points having one taken away and having another given to fernandez."

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Re: It Happened Before! To Seles!

Oh yes, I remember reading about it in her autobiography.
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post #3 of 23 (permalink) Old Sep 25th, 2008, 11:42 PM
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Re: It Happened Before! To Seles!

The score should have been 2-2 but the umpire wrongly said it was 3-2 MJF. Seles was never 3-2 up though.

This was Mary-Joe's only win over Monica too.
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@ the umpire.

indeed at that being MJFs only win over Seles.

BTW Monica looks adorable.
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Re: It Happened Before! To Seles!

Wait, was that first ball Mary Joe hit in or out?


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Re: It Happened Before! To Seles!

Seles got a point penalty because she took too much time until serving, that's what the commentator sais so 2:3 is correct...
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Re: It Happened Before! To Seles!

These are both high profile matches with big stars competing and a large audience. If it can happen in circumstances such as these with the most experienced of umpires at the helm you can bet your bottom dollar that it has happen many more times in much less high profile matches. I suspect things like this probably happen over on the ITF circuit 20+ times a year, perhaps substantially more than that. Probably quite often the mistake would go unnoticed by all in attendence including the players.

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Something else happened I think? Why did Monica serve two points in a row to the same side of the court? Was one a replayed point?
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funny. Mary-Joe never mentioned this match while doing commentary for espn during the Venus/Sprem fiasco
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Re: It Happened Before! To Seles!

it's been at Filderstadt 1989 / quarterfinal
MJ Fernandez bt Seles 4-6 6-4 7-6 (5) (2:35h)

the pt was decisive but it's been according to the rules


the crucial penalty came from the chair umpire at 2-2 in tbrk. Monica already had been given a warning b/c of coaching before and now the umpire explained her a pt penalty (time violation b/c of strategic & long lasting complaint about ball transfer of ball kids - she wanted to have the balls at the right side)

I remember the match vividly. It's been the time I really loved Monica for her play but she was sometimes a bit bitchy when things didn't turn out her way...

If Monica would have stayed focused I guess she could have won it.

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This is not a scoring mistake but the umpire is an idiot. The umpire called time violation on Monica, but it wasn't her fault. The ball kids threw the balls to the wrong end of the court (forgetting that the point at 1-2 was replayed). What a horrible call in a crucial tiebreak.
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Re: It Happened Before! To Seles!

the German commentator also critized the German chair umpire for his absent sense of touch in such a tight situation but also said the time violation was according to the rules...

Many visitors felt it's been unfair to Monica to give her a pt penalty there (me , too)

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Re: It Happened Before! To Seles!

Seles argued with the UMP
she got a Violation

Venus and Sperm didnt know what they were doing on the court
they were bashing all the way...
stupid umpire should have done his job
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Seles argued with the UMP
she got a Violation

Venus and Sperm didnt know what they were doing on the court
they were bashing all the way
...
stupid umpire should have done his job

I never thought about this in that particular situation, but you're probably right.
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Re: It Happened Before! To Seles!

Seles is up 2-1 wins a point when MJF hits long making it 3-1 Seles. So how he got 3-2 MJF ? Obviously he made a mistake.
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