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Former 'Indoor' Greatness

Martina Hingis, Kim Clijsters, Lindsay Davenport, Justine Henin, and others have performed extremely well at indoor tournaments. Since these tournaments are typically played toward the end of the year (minus Tokyo and Paris, and maybe a couple others at the beginning of the season), do you think it is more due to the fact that they happened to be more 'fresh' than others? Or are they just better adapted for the surface?

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Martina Hingis, Kim Clijsters, Lindsay Davenport, Justine Henin, and others have performed extremely well at indoor tournaments. Since these tournaments are typically played toward the end of the year (minus Tokyo and Paris, and maybe a couple others at the beginning of the season), do you think it is more due to the fact that they happened to be more 'fresh' than others? Or are they just better adapted for the surface?

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They all just like fast surfaces?
Yes, but there are players like Kuznetsova who still haven't reached an indoor final. ASV couldn't win indoors, if I remember correctly.

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Didn't those players play extremely well regardless of the surface?

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Didn't those players play extremely well regardless of the surface?
Exactly, I'm pretty sure those players have the most titles of almost any players in the last 10 years with each having a title on all surfaces.

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Re: Former 'Indoor' Greatness

Henin didn't do "extremely well" indoors. In fact, it was her worst surface.
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Henin didn't do "extremely well" indoors. In fact, it was her worst surface.

But she still did well, considering that she won Linz, Zürich, Stuttgart and the YEC twice.

And "indoors" is not a surface.
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But she still did well, considering that she won Linz, Zürich, Stuttgart and the YEC twice.

And "indoors" is not a surface.
Doing well and doing great (like it stated in the thread title) are not the same. Justine was a great player overall but indoors she was never a player to beat, except in 2007 when she was head and shoulders above everyone.
She has 7 indoor titles under her belt but in winning them she defeated only two "very good" indoor players -- Mauresmo and Sharapova. Justine is 0-8 vs Serena, Venus, Lindsay, and Kim indoors.

And you know perectly what I meant when I labeled "indoors" a surface.
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Re: Former 'Indoor' Greatness

If we're going to talk about Indoor greatness, we really need to talk about Martina Navratilova. She's known for her grass prowess but I think it was indoors where she was head and shoulders above the rest. The conditions, or lack of them, meaning no external elements like wind and sun allow her to play her serve & volley game to perfection.

I can't think of any player who excelled as much as she did. Don't know her record, someone might want to check.




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Don't forget Myskina!

She was a totally different player indoors, so agressive and powerful

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Don't forget Myskina!

She was a totally different player indoors, so agressive and powerful
she was good on carpet (43-13 win-loss record) but on indoor hard she was mediocre (18-16 win-loss record).
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Re: Former 'Indoor' Greatness

I'm disappointed that there are more indoor hardcourt tournaments and hardly any indoor carpet tournaments, more punishment on the body for the players.

Amelie Mauresmo seems pretty good indoors, she's won Antewrp 3 times I think, Paris Open 3 times, year end championships, Philadelphia (now defunkt) and been to a few finals.

When I think indoor Tennis I think more 1980s and 1990s - seemed to be bigger back then than now.
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Active / recently retired players with 10+ indoor titles:

Davenport -- 20 (out of 55 total)
Hingis -- 16 (43)
Clijsters -- 15 (34)
Mauresmo -- 12 (24)
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I think Steffi has the best indoors win-loss ratio.... not sure though.

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Re: Former 'Indoor' Greatness

Ok... so when we mean indoor, we're not including carpet. Is it not indoor? And also, do we include matches played at the AO when matches are enclosed at Rod Laver or Vodafone?
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