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Is the game REALLY more athletic now, or is this just a lie?

The game is now far more athletic: that's if you fully buy into the theory that the women's game is now the domain of fitter, faster players. Although true over all, I don't fully buy into it.

I see far more fat players at or near the top now than I did in c1999, or even in the top five in 1992.

Petrova at Eastbourne this year (successfully reaching the final) looked extremely flabby. Kuznetsova, for all her athleticism, has in recent years looked too flabby, and still reached the number two ranking. Marion Bartoli is a porker, as we know, and she reached the Wimbledon final. Serena Williams, no less, is nowhere near in optimum shape, and she's number one in the world. Only recently, Ana Ivanovic was too big, and she was top 15. Dinara Safina has been top ten with weight problems. Aravane Rezai reached the top 30 a couple of years ago whilst carrying far too much body mass.

Go back to 1999, or come to think of it, much earlier, and I can't think of as many players in the higher echelons who were overweight. Seles, maybe, Capriati, Davenport prior to 1997. Who else? <scratches head>

So where did this idea come from?

What posters on this board must realise is that when commentators or ex-players keep on saying the standard has gone up, the players are fitter, they hit harder, etc, they are selling women's tennis - it's either their job, or they feel duty bound, given the history of the game and how it is overshadowed by the men's game. So their views have no credibility because it's just rhetoric.
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It is whatever you want it to be.
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"I'm retiring too, here's my hall of fame" where did I hear that before? hmm...

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ask Sugi. she'll prolly know the best.
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The game is now far more athletic: that's if you fully buy into the theory that the women's game is now the domain of fitter, faster players. Although true over all, I don't fully buy into it.

I see far more fat players at or near the top now than I did in c1999, or even in the top five in 1992.

Petrova at Eastbourne this year (successfully reaching the final) looked extremely flabby. Kuznetsova, for all her athleticism, has in recent years looked too flabby, and still reached the number two ranking. Marion Bartoli is a porker, as we know, and she reached the Wimbledon final. Serena Williams, no less, is nowhere near in optimum shape, and she's number one in the world. Only recently, Ana Ivanovic was too big, and she was top 15. Dinara Safina has been top ten with weight problems. Aravane Rezai reached the top 30 a couple of years ago whilst carrying far too much body mass.

Go back to 1999, or come to think of it, much earlier, and I can't think of as many players in the higher echelons who were overweight. Seles, maybe, Capriati, Davenport prior to 1997. Who else? <scratches head>

So where did this idea come from?

What posters on this board must realise is that when commentators or ex-players keep on saying the standard has gone up, the players are fitter, they hit harder, etc, they are selling women's tennis - it's either their job, or they feel duty bound, given the history of the game and how it is overshadowed by the men's game. So their views have no credibility because it's just rhetoric.
Serena Williams may have been off her optimum conditioning at times, but she has never once been fat. The players, most that you have stated as having weight problems don't, but rather are just slightly less in shape than they could be. And weight has nothing to do with athleticism, fat people can be fit and strong and thinner people weak/unfit.

Players are bigger, stronger and hit harder, whilst moving much better (on average) tahn they did in the past. That is the reason why most would say that tennis has become more athletic.
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It's not fat that matters, it's muscle. These days female players are a lot more muscular. Back in the day they spent far more time honing their technique than lifting weights. Sveta may carry some extra weight around, but she's also very very strong.

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The game is now far more athletic: that's if you fully buy into the theory that the women's game is now the domain of fitter, faster players. Although true over all, I don't fully buy into it.

I see far more fat players at or near the top now than I did in c1999, or even in the top five in 1992.

Petrova at Eastbourne this year (successfully reaching the final) looked extremely flabby. Kuznetsova, for all her athleticism, has in recent years looked too flabby, and still reached the number two ranking. Marion Bartoli is a porker, as we know, and she reached the Wimbledon final. Serena Williams, no less, is nowhere near in optimum shape, and she's number one in the world. Only recently, Ana Ivanovic was too big, and she was top 15. Dinara Safina has been top ten with weight problems. Aravane Rezai reached the top 30 a couple of years ago whilst carrying far too much body mass.

Go back to 1999, or come to think of it, much earlier, and I can't think of as many players in the higher echelons who were overweight. Seles, maybe, Capriati, Davenport prior to 1997. Who else? <scratches head>

So where did this idea come from?

What posters on this board must realise is that when commentators or ex-players keep on saying the standard has gone up, the players are fitter, they hit harder, etc, they are selling women's tennis - it's either their job, or they feel duty bound, given the history of the game and how it is overshadowed by the men's game. So their views have no credibility because it's just rhetoric.
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Yes..... You put Serena/ Venus against ANY of the old greats in a foot race, long jump. High jump..... They win by miles.....

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Being athletic isn't about being slender. Models are not athletes. Shot putters and weightlifters are athletes. Being 'athletic' is about how faster you tun, how hard you hit, how well you change direction. Martina Hingis was never overweight. But eventually she succumbed to superior athletes. Also, changes in racket technology have changed the game to where athletic superiority is a huge defensive edge. The ball gets through the court so fast, if you are a superior mover, you won't catch up to it.

So sure today's plyers are superior athletes. But are they superior tennis players?

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The game is now far more athletic: that's if you fully buy into the theory that the women's game is now the domain of fitter, faster players. Although true over all, I don't fully buy into it.

I see far more fat players at or near the top now than I did in c1999, or even in the top five in 1992.

Petrova at Eastbourne this year (successfully reaching the final) looked extremely flabby. Kuznetsova, for all her athleticism, has in recent years looked too flabby, and still reached the number two ranking. Marion Bartoli is a porker, as we know, and she reached the Wimbledon final. Serena Williams, no less, is nowhere near in optimum shape, and she's number one in the world. Only recently, Ana Ivanovic was too big, and she was top 15. Dinara Safina has been top ten with weight problems. Aravane Rezai reached the top 30 a couple of years ago whilst carrying far too much body mass.

Go back to 1999, or come to think of it, much earlier, and I can't think of as many players in the higher echelons who were overweight. Seles, maybe, Capriati, Davenport prior to 1997. Who else? <scratches head>

So where did this idea come from?

What posters on this board must realise is that when commentators or ex-players keep on saying the standard has gone up, the players are fitter, they hit harder, etc, they are selling women's tennis - it's either their job, or they feel duty bound, given the history of the game and how it is overshadowed by the men's game. So their views have no credibility because it's just rhetoric.
Completely agree. Lenglen would easily crush all these porkers with both hands tied behind her back and holding only a (wooden) racquet between her teeth.

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Yes, the game is realy more athletic, but focus on WEIGHT of current TOP players is wrong. Better to look their HEIGHT...

If we look 2008 final TOP8 (players which qualify to YEC by rankings) we will notice FIVE 180cm+ (5'11''+) girls (188Maria, 185Venus, 185Ana, 183Dinara and 180Elena). For example, 15 years ago, in 1993 when YEC played 16 (not 8) players - NOBODY of year ending TOP16 of 1993 is not 180+ tall!!! That is big diference... not weight...


1993 TOP16
1 GRAF 175cm
2 SANCHEZ VICARIO 169cm
3 NAVRATILOVA 173cm
4 MARTINEZ 170cm
5 SABATINI 175cm
6 NOVOTNA 175cm
7 FERNANDEZ 176cm
8 SELES 178cm
9 CAPRIATI 170cm
10 HUBER 173cm
11 MALEEVA-FRAGNIERE 173cm
12 PIERCE 178cm
13 DATE 163cm
14 GARRISON 164cm
15 COETZER 158cm
16 M.MALEEVA 168cm


2008 TOP8
1 S.WILLIAMS 175cm
2 JANKOVIC 177cm
3 IVANOVIC 185cm
4 DEMENTIEVA 180cm
5 SAFINA 182cm
6 SHARAPOVA 188cm

7 KUZNETSOVA 174cm
8 V.WILLIAMS 185cm


BLUE - over 175cm

But that 1993 actualy showing somethingabout new generation of dominant players - only "giant" from previous era Sukova is drop from elite that year, but some upcoming "giant" youngsters like Brenda Schultz and especialy Lindsay Davenport is on the radar... and talking about 2008 TOP8 even both "175-" players Serena and Sveta is also (super)athletic in comparation with players from previous era.

and I'm not even fan of Ana Ivanovic... just an objective observer who realize how perfect she is

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Maybe we should put the theory to the test and they can play best of 5 sets at Slams.

Earn their equal prize money.

I would love to see Jelena in a best of 5. Oh, please. Just once. That would be comedic.

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