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When Myth becomes Reality: Qualifier MICE VS. ELEPHANT Ana

Nothing, i mean realy nothing from Ana's past not announce this bizzare x-files story, and also maybe in some other sports we have some similar strange cases... but never in tennis history.

Like i already notice, nothing in Ana early career have with this, actualy in that period seems that she will be one of WTA most brutal executioners against weak opponents - she turned PRO in August of 2003 and for example in next two Years (till August 2005) she played 100+ singles matches and only once lose against player which is worse ranked than she is (#36 Dinara Safina beat her in Berlin/05). She improve every season so after big improvments in 2003, 2004, 2005 and 2006 she is finaly ready for last step to become elite WTA player with newest 2007 improvment, and that breakthrough realy happen last season which she played and finiched like TOP5 and big improvment still continue this season when she finaly reach #1 and first slam title. But subject of this thread is not to show her results and achivments BEFORE and SINCE 2007 - this is only about Ana Ivanovic h2h stats in WTA tournaments against players which reach Main Draw like Qualifiers when Ana is still upcoming youngstar and especialy after, when she becomes real WTA star (since 2007).

Before 2007 Ana Ivanovic NEVER LOSE MATCH AGAINST QUALIFIER which is not so big surprise b/c mostly of that time she played like officialy TOP20 and several years in the row to be unbeaten against qualifiers is actualy not such big achivment, but its important for this story to see what happen after with Ana.

ANA IVANOVIC vs QUALIFIERS (before 2007):
Won 7-5 6-7 7-6 vs (#29)GOLOVIN (ZURICH-2004)
Won 6-2 6-1 vs (#146)NEMECKOVA (CANBERRA-2005)
Won 5-7 6-3 6-4 vs (#126)DOMINIKOVIC (CANBERRA-2005)
Won 6-3 7-5 vs (#104)GRANVILLE (MIAMI-2005)
Won 6-2 7-6 vs (#66)GARBIN (TORONTO-2005)
Won 6-3 6-1 vs (#43)SREBOTNIK (ZURICH-2005)
Won 6-3 5-7 6-3 vs (#95)A.BONDARENKO (MIAMI-2006)
Won 6-3 6-2 vs (#55)FRAZIER (SAN DIEGO-2006)
Won 6-2 6-2 vs (#66)RADWANSKA (LINZ-2006)
Won 6-3 6-7 6-3 vs (#244)KERBER (HASSELT-2006)


So when player with such cruel stats vs qualifiers make neht step and after breakthrough start to torture even TOP10 players all the way, people logicaly expect that she will probably never drop even set against Qualifiers, but look whats happen:


ANA IVANOVIC vs QUALIFIERS (since 2007):
Won 7-6 6-1 vs (#85)VINCI (GOLD COAST-2007)
Lose 7-5 6-4 vs (#84)SHVEDOVA (MIAMI-2007)
Won 6-2 6-0 vs (#122)OLARU (FRENCH OPEN-2007)
Won 6-4 6-2 vs (#91)HARKLEROAD (LOS ANGELES-2007)
Lose 6-3 6-1 vs (#169)YAN (TORONTO-2007)
Lose 6-2 1-6 6-3 vs (#46)K.BONDARENKO (STUTTGART-2007)
Lose 6-4 5-7 6-2 vs (#64)PIRONKOVA (ROME-2008)
Lose 6-3 4-6 6-4 vs (#188)COIN (US OPEN-2008)


She won just 3 of her 8 matches against qualifiers since 2007 and when she become finaly worlds TOP5 player during 2nd half of 2007 her stats becomes even worse so she is in 13 months losing strike (0-4 since August 2007) vs Qualifiers!!!

Same this Twilght Zone trends we will notice when we compare Ana Ivanovic BEFORE and SINCE 2007 h2h stats against players which is out of TOP100 and compare them with for example her h2h records against others elite WTA TOP10 Players. Before 2007 Ana never lose Main Draw match at some WTA tournament against some player out of TOP100 (and she played more than 20 MD matches against non-TOP100 before 2007), but since 2007 she already lose 3 matches against non-TOP100 opponents and also couple others very bad loses in same period like against #84 and #94 ranked player.

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WTA Main Draws          vs. TOP10	vs. non-TOP100	vs. Qualifiers
BEFORE 2007     5-14 (26.3%)     21-0 (100%)       10-0 (100%)
SINCE 2007      19-9 (67.9%)      7-3 (70.0%)       3-5 (37.5%)
Any comment? (but please dont even try to find some logical explanation about this)



2010 EDIT:
Thanks to pointless bump of this thread during September of 2010 I'm in position to update this thread:
WON 6-1 6-4 vs (#57)KVITOVA (ZURICH-2008)
WON 6-7 7-5 6-1 vs (#82)VINCI (BRISBANE-2009)
WON 6-3 6-2 vs (#169)BRIANTI (AO-2009)
WON 6-2 7-6 vs (#104)PIN (DUBAI-2009)
WON 6-4 6-3 vs (#95)YAKIMOVA (INDIAN WELLS-2009)
WON 6-0 6-3 vs (#104)KORYTTSEVA (MIAMI-2009)
WON 2-6 6-1 6-1 vs (#64)OUDIN (CINCINNATI-2009)
WON 2-6 6-3 6-2 vs (#47)RYBARIKOVA (TORONTO-2009)
LOSE 3-6 7-5 6-3 vs (#46)SAFAROVA (TORONTO-2009)
WON 6-2 6-3 vs (#107)PERRY (AO-2010)
WON 6-4 6-3 (#106)PARMENTIER (MIAMI-2010)
WON 6-1 6-3 (#114)AMANMURADOVA (CINCINNATI-2010)


This is really very interesting phenom/paradox about Ana Ivanovic against qualifirs. Between March/2007 and August/2008 she lose 5 out of 7 matches against qualifiers despite that is by far best period of her career so far when she reach WTA#1, 3GS finals (with one GS title), several others big titles and 16-7 W/L vs TOP10 opponents! Before that Mar07-Aug08 period Ana is WTA out of TOP10 upcoming youngster and has perfect 11-0 W/L record vs qualifiers, and after hers golden Mar07-Aug08 period, when she become player in-slump, hers W/L against Q-opponents is almost perfect 11-1! So Ana has at her peak 2-5 W/L vs qualifiers and 22-1 in rest of her career. If she comeback again in future into TOP10/TOP5 it will be very interesting to see will she starts again to extremely underperform in matches where facing qualifiers - will her mind be already "in next round", or she will be brutal and cruel against qualifiers like in rest of her career???


2015 EDIT: (+poll added)
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It is right time for an serious BUMP of this subject, and BTW I added Poll to this thread today, to see what TF community thinks about this bizarre phenom connected to Ana Ivanovic at her best (when she is member of WTA TOP10).

Ana Ivanovic CAREER CASE H2H vs Qualifiers RECAPITULATION:
Ana Ivanovic started hers promising WTA Tour career in autumn of 2004 (after outstanding ITF results that year), but hers rapid and fast improvement to TOP20 already during first half of next 2005 season start to struggle every time when she is close finally to broke into WTA TOP10. During that early period she is very cruel and brutal every time when she face some qualifier (or every player ranked out of TOP100), with perfect h2h record. But when she finally made career breakthrough during spring of 2007 she suddenly start to lose these matches, so between March of 2007 and August 2008 she beat only two out of 7 qualifiers which she faced. During hers famous slump which started in the 2nd half of 2008 till 2014 Ana have big problems to beat TOP10 players, but at least against Qualifiers (and other out of TOP100 opponents, including Wild Cards) she once again started to produce impressive H2H stats. For example, Ana Ivanovic H2H W/L career record vs Qualifiers when Ana is ranked out of TOP15 is impressive 18-1 (only loss ever is vs Anne Keothavong in Luxembourg 2011, when Ana is #23).

During 2014 season Ana Ivanovic finally back again TOP10 level, won 4 tournaments and even finished season into TOP5, and during first half of 2015 she not playing that well, but at least she is still TOP10 and reached GS SF. But shockingly, during 2014 and 2015 this phenom is back once again like during 2007 and 2008 when she like TOP10 started to beat other TOP10 players on regular basis, but against Qualifiers (and players ranked out of TOP100 in general) started to struggle once again!

It seems that Ana is unfortunately infected with famous Serbian so called "LAKO ĆEMO" (...we can do it easily...) mindset philosophy, with our traditionally very bad habit when we are superconfident to ignore any kind of threats from obviously weaker enemies/opponents (total underdogs in sports). So if for example Djokovic needs for US Open title just to beat Nishikori and Cilic, against both he have monster h2h stats, or if he already beat in RG Rafa Nadal and for title just need to beat Stan Wawrinka... he will underperform at least 30% in such kind of matches. But Kei or Stan are at least real TOP10 players, so this Ana-TOP10 h2h stats vs Qualifiers (and out of TOP100 players) is something unprecedented in Open Era for any other TOP player.

In many cases numbers speaks much better than words, so here is Ana Ivanovic career h2h stats vs Qualifiers (and players out of TOP100) when she is TOP10 player, and when she is not TOP10, or not TOP15:

Code:
WTA Main Draws       vs Qualifiers        vs non-TOP100         vs TOP10    
TOP10 ANA             13-9 (59.0%)          16-6 (72.7%)      22-16 (57.9%)
TOP10 ANA at GS        3-3 (50.0%)          10-4 (71.4%)      
NOT TOP10 ANA         33-5 (86.8%)          58-3 (95.1%)      24-52 (31.6%)
NOT TOP10 ANA at GS    5-0 (100%)           20-0 (100%)      
NOT TOP15 ANA         18-1 (94.7%)          36-3 (92.3%)      17-31 (35.4%)       


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FULL LISTS:

All Ana Ivanovic matches vs Qualifiers as TOP10 player:

Won 6-2 6-0 vs (#122)OLARU (FRENCH OPEN-2007)
WON 6-4 6-2 vs (#91)HARKLEROAD (LOS ANGELES-2007)
Lose 6-3 6-1 vs (#169)YAN (TORONTO-2007)
Lose 6-2 1-6 6-3 vs (#46)K.BONDARENKO (STUTTGART-2007)
Lose 6-4 5-7 6-2 vs (#64)PIRONKOVA (ROME-2008)
Lose 6-3 4-6 6-4 vs (#188)COIN (US OPEN-2008)

WON 6-1 6-4 vs (#57)KVITOVA (ZURICH-2008)
WON 6-7 7-5 6-1 vs (#82)VINCI (BRISBANE-2009)
WON 6-3 6-2 vs (#169)BRIANTI (AO-2009)
WON 6-2 7-6 vs (#104)PIN (DUBAI-2009)
WON 6-4 6-3 vs (#95)YAKIMOVA (INDIAN WELLS-2009)
WON 6-0 6-3 vs (#104)KORYTTSEVA (MIAMI-2009)_______
WON 6-1 6-2 vs (#82)Bacsinszky (ROGERS CUP 2014)
Lose 6-7 7-6 6-4 vs (#51)Vandeweghe (ROGERS CUP 2014)
WON 6-2 6-1 vs (#34)Bencic (BEIJING 2014)
Lose 1-6 6-3 6-2 vs (#142)Hradecka (AUSTRALIAN OPEN 2015)
WON 6-1 7-6 vs (#370)Vaidisova (MONTERREY 2015)
WON 6-3 6-1 vs (#107)Putintseva (INDIAN WELLS 2015)
Lose 5-7 7-6 7-6 vs (#78)Gavrilova (ROME 2015)
Lose 6-4 3-6 7-6 vs (#135)De Brito (BIRMINGHAM 2015)

WON 6-1 6-1 vs (#176)Xu (WIMBLEDON 2015)
Lose 6-3 6-4 vs (#158)Mattek-Sands (WIMBLEDON 2015)



All Ana Ivanovic matches vs Qualifiers as OUT of TOP15 player:

Won 7-5 6-7 7-6 vs (#29)GOLOVIN (ZURICH-2004)
Won 6-2 6-1 vs (#146)NEMECKOVA (CANBERRA-2005)
Won 5-7 6-3 6-4 vs (#126)DOMINIKOVIC (CANBERRA-2005)
Won 6-3 7-5 vs (#104)GRANVILLE (MIAMI-2005)
Won 6-2 7-6 vs (#66)GARBIN (TORONTO-2005)
Won 6-3 6-1 vs (#43)SREBOTNIK (ZURICH-2005)
Won 6-3 5-7 6-3 vs (#95)A.BONDARENKO (MIAMI-2006)
Won 6-3 6-2 vs (#55)FRAZIER (SAN DIEGO-2006)
WON 6-2 6-3 vs (#107)PERRY (AUSTRALIAN OPEN 2010)
WON 6-4 6-3 vs (#106)PARMENTIER (MIAMI-2010)
WON 6-1 6-3 vs (#114)AMANMURADOVA (CINCINNATI-2010)
WON 6-1 6-1 vs (#99)ZHANG (ROGERS CUP 2011)
WON 6-3 6-2 vs (#45)BENESOVA (ROGERS CUP 2011)
WON 6-0 6-2 vs (#151)GLATCH (CINCINNATI 2011)
WON 6-4 6-0 vs (#122)RODIONOVA (TOKYO 2011)
Lose 6-3 6-2 vs (#193)KEOTHAVONG (LUXEMBOURG 2011)
WON 6-7 6-3 6-2 vs (#68)MATTEK (MADRID 2013)
WON 6-2 6-2 vs (#60)SCHEEPERS (MADRID 2013)
WON 7-6 6-3 vs (#199)VANDEWEGHE (CARLSBAD 2013)

and I'm not even fan of Ana Ivanovic... just an objective observer who realize how perfect she is

AMAZING BELGRADE MIRACLE: In just three years (2008-2011) 5 different players born in same city reach world #1 in rankings and several GS titles and finals (WTA singles: Ana Ivanovic and Jelena Jankovic, ATP singles: Novak Djokovic, ATP doubles: Nenad Zimonjic and Daniel Nestor... with notable performances of Bojana Jovanovski, Janko Tipsarevic and Viktor Troicki which is also all three born in Belgrade)

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Re: When Myth becomes Reality: Qualifier MICE VS. ELEPHANT Ana

She was the queen of the MICES, but only until ELEPHANT Ana had to play against MAMMOTH Shvedova


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qualifiers r always tricky

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OMG she's GOAT
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I guess Ana will be rooting very hard for Petrova to beat Rezai.

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Better stat: the loss to Coin was only her second defeat in three sets at a grand slam.
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Clearly Ana Ivanovic has passed her peak and will never win another grand slam.


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Yaroslava she was the first, she opened a way

This can't last. This misery can't last. I must remember that and try to control myself. Nothing lasts really. Neither happiness nor despair. Not even life lasts very long. There'll come a time in the future when I shan't mind about this anymore, when I can look back and say quite peacefully and cheerfully how silly I was. No, no, I don't want that time to come ever. I want to remember every minute, always, always to the end of my days.
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Better stat: the loss to Coin was only her second defeat in three sets at a grand slam.
Ana played so far at Grand Slams three-setters against #34, #3, #24, #72, #17, #78, #59, #23, #3, #9, #10, #9, #3, #97, #57, #188 ... so guess which is rank of only two players which beat Ivanovic in three-setters at slams??? #72 and #188

For me is actualy here more interesting question how on earth Ana managed to beat that #97 ranked mice player at slam in three ... and answer is - she save 2MP's in 2nd set before wins 10-8 in 3rd

and I'm not even fan of Ana Ivanovic... just an objective observer who realize how perfect she is

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Ana played so far at Grand Slams three-setters against #34, #3, #24, #72, #17, #78, #59, #23, #3, #9, #10, #9, #3, #97, #57, #188 ... so guess which is rank of only two players which beat Ivanovic in three-setters at slams??? #72 and #188

For me is actualy here more interesting question how on earth Ana managed to beat that #97 ranked mice player at slam in three ... and answer is - she save 2MP's in 2nd set before wins 10-8 in 3rd

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So I guess she won't want to be playing any qualifiers then
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Cp6uja, shame on you for comparing Ana to an elephant
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Cp6uja, I always respect people who are able to be self deprecating about their favourites.

Ana, will be fine. But it is odd that as she gets better and better she has more and more big upsets. Next year she will probably win two Slams and in the other two lose to players ranked outside the top 200 in the 1st round.

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