about fed's serve :
before passing the net :
and when the ball is bouncing :
you can see that the ball bounces higher and is less fast than the one in 2003
(10 mph less ! )
this is not really the grass who has been slowed, but they changed the balls I think.
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A topic about Wimbledon's new grass ? Perfect ! I don't understand some things... let's go
(Out of subject : the people who think if Nadal has won, it was because of grass which had been slowed... you should make a comparison between Wimbledon's grass in 2001 (for example) and the one's from 2005, this is pretty more shocking than the parallel 2003-2008.
We are not on MTF, but on WTaworld (hem I mean tennisforum
), so what are the effects ?
Venus has won in 2000, 2001, 2005, 2007 and 2008... although she has won "only" two US Open...
Justine and Ana (last Roland Garros' champions) could/can succeed on grass but failed/fails against players who outplayed and outpowered them (I didn't see the whole match of Ana against Zheng but Zheng's game was so accurate and speedy) whereas the Williams still win there...
Ana has a big serve but she is far better in FO than in Wimbledon.. Let's see these stats, those who serve really well are advantaged by grass ... though Ana is better in Paris.
Do the stats really upset Wimbledon in terms of resultats (in WTA)?
I don't think so... some people (not necessary here) speak about Navratilova's era for example for saying she would be overwhelmed by the big babes but lot of people say also grass becomes like clay, and the big babes don't really succeed on clay, do they?
... Let's put in this way : Serena lost in third round against Srebotnik at French Open but reached the final in All England Club Lawn... How do you explain this?
Last year, against Nadal in final, Federer hit nearly 50 aces and serve winners... this year, nearly 25 aces and more serves winners
and I think Nadal is one of the best returners . Though the exchanges between both players were longer than usual (I mean , in 2001, they lasted .. what 10 hits ?
) but we should remember only about that?
The real matter for WTA is the game-wise, its technicals skills... So many exchanges wasted by an UE
In ATP, Federer has the BEST game, the most completed and Nadal doesn't have an uni-dimensional game
he is quite complete also.
At French Open, the ball bounces high (like in Wimbledon ATM) and takes more and more effects (slide, etc...) [Nadal didn't make an only double-fault during the whole tournament
or one.. but still
), I would say "Okay, you are right" if we only stared at Nadal and Federer but what can we say about women?
2006 : Nadal def. Federer -- Henin def. Kuznetsova
Federer def. Nadal - Mauresmo def. Henin
2007 : Nadal def. Federer -- Henin def. Ivanovic
Federer def. Nadal -- Venus def. Bartoli (who have previously defeated Ivanovic and Henin)
2008 : Nadal def. Federer -- Ivanovic def. Safina
Nadal def. Federer -- Venus def. Serena
Where were in BOTH ladies' events : Kuznetsova ? Mauresmo ? Bartoli ? Venus ? Serena ? Safina?
Also I want to add... What about Nicole Vaidisova? According to Cp6uja's stats, AO and RG have the slower courts and everybody knows Nicole Vaidisova's biggest weapon is her serve. And her biggest achievements at the moment in Slams were semi-finalist in Melbourne and Paris...