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View Poll Results: What you thinking about Alize Cornet career strategy so far?
Very good and very smart. She simple use all her opportunity at best way. 15 17.86%
Good and smart. Current ranking speak for theyself. 34 40.48%
Hard to say. Case is too unique. 12 14.29%
Bad career strategy. Good for current ranking, but not good for her future. 14 16.67%
Total disaster. When she thinking to learn to play at all others surfaces if not now when she is young!? 9 10.71%
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post #1 of 48 (permalink) Old Jul 12th, 2008, 07:36 PM Thread Starter
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Is Alize Cornet claycourt SPECIALIST or claycourt EXTREMIST ???

Alize Cornet, upcoming tennis star from France, is currently youngest TOP20 player and tommorow she will (probably) reach her career first title in Budampest. Actualy she is only 1990+ player together with #30 Wozniacki ranked in TOP50 (including ATP). So all looks so good in her case, almost perfect, BUT... her case is totaly unique, so i want to start discussion about that. Is she realy on good way like seems from her meteoric improvement in rankings or her unique way is actualy big mistake?

Last season she become maybe first player ever in WTA history with more than 40 matches at claycourt surface in one single season (in ATP even Nadal never managed that, only Davydenko) and this season together with Almagro she is only one with 30+ claycourt matches. She is born 1990, but looking at all WTA players which is born after 1985 only Dinara Safina played in whole career so far more claycourt matches than Cornet in just last two years . If we look all her seasons she played 100% of her 2005 matches at clay, 62% in 2006, 70% in 2007 and 77% so far in 2008, which means she played at clay 82 of her 114 career matches (72%!!!) which is totaly unique case, especialy if we talking about TOP100 players. Out of clay (61-21) her career W/L record at all other surfaces is just 16-16 (which include only 6 TOP100 wins) and without her claycourt points in last 12 months Alize will be ranked about #150 place at WTA right now (at hardcourts, grass, carpet, she reach just about 200 of her about 1300 overal points from last 52 weeks). I watch her match at USO/07 against Jankovic and she is not so bad at all, but because she ignoring and avoid all other surfaces (except clay) no big progress in her game (except at clay of course).

So what you thinking about Alize Cornet career strategy so far?


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Here is Alize Cornet career stats (by surfaces) in tables:
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SEASON   OVERALL     CLAY     OTHERS             SUMMARY
2005:      1- 1      1- 1      0- 0      at clay -  2 of   2 matches
2006:      9- 4      6- 2      3- 2      at clay -  8 of  13 matches
2007:     42-18     31-11     11- 7      at clay - 42 of  60 matches
2008:     25-14    *23- 7      2- 7      at clay - 30 of  39 matches
OVERALL:  77-37     61-21     16-16      at clay - 82 of 114 matches
* - i counted tommorows final like win already



Here is some interesting facts about "Experience" of active slam winners at clay:

Alize Cornet since 2007: 72 claycourt matches
Svetlana Kuznetsova since 2003: 91 claycourt matches
Serena Williams since 2000: 79 claycourt matches
Venus Williams since 2003: 78 claycourt matches
Maria Sharapova: 57 career claycourt matches
Ana Ivanovic: 52 career claycourt matches
Lindsay Davenport since 2000: 48 claycourt matches
Amelie Mauresmo since 2005: 41 claycourt matches

and I'm not even fan of Ana Ivanovic... just an objective observer who realize how perfect she is

AMAZING BELGRADE MIRACLE: In just three years (2008-2011) 5 different players born in same city reach world #1 in rankings and several GS titles and finals (WTA singles: Ana Ivanovic and Jelena Jankovic, ATP singles: Novak Djokovic, ATP doubles: Nenad Zimonjic and Daniel Nestor... with notable performances of Bojana Jovanovski, Janko Tipsarevic and Viktor Troicki which is also all three born in Belgrade)

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Re: Is Alize Cornet claycourt SPECIALIST or claycourt EXTREMIST ???

She won't be as good on other surfaces. Her serve is weakk.
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Re: Is Alize Cornet claycourt SPECIALIST or claycourt EXTREMIST ???

Yeah, for now she's a clay court specialist, and also she has to put on some more muscles in order to play a more effective tennis on the other surfaces.

But, anyways, if she's followed by a good team, she has plenty of time to improve and adapt her game to hard courts (indoor and grass is a different story). Time is on her side, after all. No need to draw conclusions at this point, really.

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Re: Is Alize Cornet claycourt SPECIALIST or claycourt EXTREMIST ???

Clay will always be her best surface, but she has shown some signs of good play on hardcourts. Grass on the other hand...

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I think clay will be her best surface throughout her career, but I think with her game she can do well on hardcourts too. She'll probably struggle on grass, and I'm not sure indoors will be good for her either. Who knows-maybe with experience she'll do better on other surfaces in the future. I think she's too young for us to say "she'll only do well on clay".
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Re: Is Alize Cornet claycourt SPECIALIST or claycourt EXTREMIST ???

i only saw her on clay so far. She got a prety good grinding game but her serve is pretty weak. i think she can develop other weapons in future though. At the moment she is a clay specialist.

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A promising thread. Not that I have much to contribute myself but will be following what others have to say.
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Re: Is Alize Cornet claycourt SPECIALIST or claycourt EXTREMIST ???

That much play on clay is a little extreme...

But it's working for her

Her game (right now) is definitely most suited for clay, so she's smart just to play on clay. Sure, if she played other surfaces she'd improve quicker, but she just wants to get up the rankings, make money, and have good results, and so far she can do that just on clay

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Re: Is Alize Cornet claycourt SPECIALIST or claycourt EXTREMIST ???

Her game is well-suited for clay, yes. However she should be just as good on hardcourts. She isn't some moonballer, she hits the ball nicely, and can flatten that backhand out when she needs too. I am not worried she is going to become a clay-court extremist, as you put it. Of course right now she is a clay-court specialist because that is all she has had a chance to play on this year so far. I think we will see good things from her on hardcourts too.

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of course, she is. i don't think she is the only one thought.
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Here is Alize Cornet career stats (by surfaces) in tabel:
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SEASON   OVERALL     CLAY     OTHERS             SUMMARY
2005:      1- 1      1- 1      0- 0      at clay -  2 of   2 matches
2006:      9- 4      6- 2      3- 2      at clay -  8 of  13 matches
2007:     42-18     31-11     11- 7      at clay - 42 of  60 matches
2008:     25-14    *23- 7      2- 7      at clay - 30 of  39 matches
OVERALL:  77-37     61-21     16-16      at clay - 82 of 114 matches
* - i counted tommorows final like win already



Here is some interesting facts about "Experience" of active slam winners at clay:

Alize Cornet since 2007: 72 claycourt matches
Svetlana Kuznetsova since 2003: 91 claycourt matches
Serena Williams since 2000: 79 claycourt matches
Venus Williams since 2003: 78 claycourt matches
Maria Sharapova: 57 career claycourt matches
Ana Ivanovic: 52 career claycourt matches
Lindsay Davenport since 2000: 48 claycourt matches
Amelie Mauresmo since 2005: 41 claycourt matches

and I'm not even fan of Ana Ivanovic... just an objective observer who realize how perfect she is

AMAZING BELGRADE MIRACLE: In just three years (2008-2011) 5 different players born in same city reach world #1 in rankings and several GS titles and finals (WTA singles: Ana Ivanovic and Jelena Jankovic, ATP singles: Novak Djokovic, ATP doubles: Nenad Zimonjic and Daniel Nestor... with notable performances of Bojana Jovanovski, Janko Tipsarevic and Viktor Troicki which is also all three born in Belgrade)
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Here is Alize Cornet career stats (by surfaces) in tabel:
Code:
SEASON   OVERALL     CLAY     OTHERS             SUMMARY
2005:      1- 1      1- 1      0- 0      at clay -  2 of   2 matches
2006:      9- 4      6- 2      3- 2      at clay -  8 of  13 matches
2007:     42-18     31-11     11- 7      at clay - 42 of  60 matches
2008:     25-14    *23- 7      2- 7      at clay - 30 of  39 matches
OVERALL:  77-37     61-21     16-16      at clay - 82 of 114 matches
* - i counted tommorows final like win already



Here is some interesting facts about "Experience" of active slam winners at clay:

Alize Cornet since 2007: 72 claycourt matches
Svetlana Kuznetsova since 2003: 91 claycourt matches
Serena Williams since 2000: 79 claycourt matches
Venus Williams since 2003: 78 claycourt matches
Maria Sharapova: 57 career claycourt matches
Ana Ivanovic: 52 career claycourt matches
Lindsay Davenport since 2000: 48 claycourt matches
Amelie Mauresmo since 2005: 41 claycourt matches
How many has Momo played since 2003 or 2000 ?
Why the difference in years here ?

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Shes also a Chair Specialist,The Empire today ask her to fix her chair today lol,she done it in 2 secs,
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Nice thread :-) hope Alize makes successful transition to other surfaces in the future.

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