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Venus Williams has won an astounding 5 Wimbledon championships with the toughest competition. She is such a phenomenal player for she has dropped only three sets in those five finals. Vee has lost to no one else in a Wimbledon final bar her sister (Serena).

On grass Vee is almost unbeatable. Her huge serving and flattened out ground strokes are so penetrating. On grass, she is more inclined to put her volleys to use. Other players can run but they cannot hide against a game that is all conquering.
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I think that you may have forgotten about Steffi Graff.

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I think that you may have forgotten about Steffi Graff.
Remember, Stefi won half her Wimby slams between 93-96 vs the most pathetic competition of all time. Dreadful players like novotna, ASV, and Sabattini. In contrast, Venus faced by far the toughest competition ever: davenport, henin, sharapova, hingis and serena williams.
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And Billi Jean King! But Venus is certainly breathing down their necks!
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Remember, Stefi won half her Wimby slams between 93-96 vs the most pathetic competition of all time. Dreadful players like novotna, ASV, and Sabattini. In contrast, Venus faced by far the toughest competition ever: davenport, henin, sharapova, hingis and serena williams.
You see, I'm a hard core Venus fan, but I'm not as deluded as to undermine the achievements of a champion like Steffi. Firstly, Steffi managed to win 7 Wimbledon's which is a feat in itself regardless of the strenght of her opponents. And secondly, how dare you sit there and type that those players were 'dreadful players'! I mean really, who the hell do you think you are to say such a thing! It's just disrespectful and typical of Wtaworld users to come up with such insulting, foundationless nonsense. And if you think that you are doing Venus any justice by undermining the accomplishments of Steffi then know that you are NOT.

That is all I have to say.

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Remember, Stefi won half her Wimby slams between 93-96 vs the most pathetic competition of all time. Dreadful players like novotna, ASV, and Sabattini. In contrast, Venus faced by far the toughest competition ever: davenport, henin, sharapova, hingis and serena williams.
Graf reached 9 finals between 1987 and 1999, she played against all of the major grasscourt greats of those times. To beat Navratilova in back-to-back finals is an amazing achievement in itself. Those finals against Sanchez-Vicaro were both real close matches if you've seen them, and Novotna had her almost beaten in 1993. And although it isn't the most important result, Steffi beat Venus at Wimbledon in 1999. Sorry but Venus needs to at least equal Graf's 7 titles (which she is capable of doing for sure) before she can be compared to her.
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You see, I'm a hard core Venus fan, but I'm not as deluded as to undermine the achievements of a champion like Steffi. Firstly, Steffi managed to win 7 Wimbledon's which is a feat in itself regardless of the strenght of her opponents. And secondly, how dare you sit there and type that those players were 'dreadful players'! I mean really, who the hell do you think you are to say such a thing! It's just disrespectful and typical of Wtaworld users to come up with such insulting, foundationless nonsense. And if you think that you are doing Venus any justice by undermining the accomplishments of Steffi then know that you are NOT.

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Here's what Venus have to say on Stefi at Wimbledon in 2002.

Q. Is she (steffi) the best player you ever played on grass?

VENUS WILLIAMS: I can't say that, no.

Q. Who would be?

VENUS WILLIAMS: I don't know. I haven't really actually played a grass court player. I think Serena played Els Callens the other day. I think she was a good grass court player. Maybe NathalieTauziat.

Q. Do you put those two in the same category at Steffi?

VENUS WILLIAMS: Not the same category. But I didn't consider Steffi a grass court player. I considered her a champion, sure. She never really came in, never served and volleyed. I don't think that was exactly grass court tennis.
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Lol at Venus... Love her and everything but she doesn't exactly come in after every single point either.

Anyway, Nav > Court/King/Graf etc > Venus.

It's still illustrious company, but don't delude yourself.

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You see, I'm a hard core Venus fan, but I'm not as deluded as to undermine the achievements of a champion like Steffi. Firstly, Steffi managed to win 7 Wimbledon's which is a feat in itself regardless of the strenght of her opponents. And secondly, how dare you sit there and type that those players were 'dreadful players'! I mean really, who the hell do you think you are to say such a thing! It's just disrespectful and typical of Wtaworld users to come up with such insulting, foundationless nonsense. And if you think that you are doing Venus any justice by undermining the accomplishments of Steffi then know that you are NOT.

That is all I have to say.
How many Wimbledon Doubles Championship did Stefi managed to win at Wimbledon? ZERO? Vee has won 3 Wimbledon doubles crown in 2000, 2002 and 2008 and one mixed doubles Wimbledon crown in 2006!
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Graf reached 9 finals between 1987 and 1999, she played against all of the major grasscourt greats of those times. To beat Navratilova in back-to-back finals is an amazing achievement in itself. Those finals against Sanchez-Vicaro were both real close matches if you've seen them, and Novotna had her almost beaten in 1993. And although it isn't the most important result, Steffi beat Venus at Wimbledon in 1999. Sorry but Venus needs to at least equal Graf's 7 titles (which she is capable of doing for sure) before she can be compared to her.
Venus has won a total of 9 Wimbledon Crowns ( 5 in singles, 3 in doubles and 1 in mixed). That's 2 more than Graf.

And Stefi won most of her Wimby Slams against horrid competition. I really dont know what you're talking about.
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Lol at Venus... Love her and everything but she doesn't exactly come in after every single point either.

Anyway, Nav > Court/King/Graf etc > Venus.

It's still illustrious company, but don't delude yourself.
Sure, Nav and King are greater than Vee at Wimbledon but Stefi and Court??? I dont think so.
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Here's what Venus have to say on Stefi at Wimbledon in 2002.

Q. Is she (steffi) the best player you ever played on grass?

VENUS WILLIAMS: I can't say that, no.

Q. Who would be?

VENUS WILLIAMS: I don't know. I haven't really actually played a grass court player. I think Serena played Els Callens the other day. I think she was a good grass court player. Maybe NathalieTauziat.

Q. Do you put those two in the same category at Steffi?

VENUS WILLIAMS: Not the same category. But I didn't consider Steffi a grass court player. I considered her a champion, sure. She never really came in, never served and volleyed. I don't think that was exactly grass court tennis.
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Remember, Stefi won half her Wimby slams between 93-96 vs the most pathetic competition of all time. Dreadful players like novotna, ASV, and Sabattini. In contrast, Venus faced by far the toughest competition ever: davenport, henin, sharapova, hingis and serena williams.



You gotta love those deluded Venus fans.
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Venus: Graf not a grass-courter
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WIMBLEDON, England -- Venus Williams said on Monday that seven-time Wimbledon singles champion Steffi Graf was not a grass-court player although she was a champion.

"I didn't consider Steffi a grass-court player. I considered her a champion, sure. She never really came in and never served and volleyed," said 22-year-old Williams, who is bidding for her third successive Wimbledon crown this year. "I don't think that was exactly grass-court tennis."

Williams said she thought Belgian qualifier Els Callens -- beaten in straight sets by the younger Williams sister Serena in the third round last week -- and 1998 All England Club finalist Nathalie Tauziat of France were better examples of a true grass-courter.

"I haven't actually played a grass-court player," she said. "Serena played Callens the other day and she's a good grass-court player and maybe also Tauziat."
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