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Wimbledon 20% slower - official

An interesting measurement during the coverage of the Federer final.

The destination speed and bounce angle of identical speed Federer serves were compared by the BBC tracker. One serve from 2003, the other for 2008.

The result: Speed at destination was 20% slower for the 2008 serve over the identical 2003 one - due to the change in grass mix and ball specification. The ball also bounced over 20% higher.

That's a very significant change, which helps returners over attackers and big servers. Should they have changed grass play like this?

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Yeah. One other thing I've noticed is that the outside courts seem to be much faster than the main ones.


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Yeah, fuck that shit. Make it faster.
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They most likely made the clay 20% faster at RG to make up for this.
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I don't get it. The best grasscourters in the women's draw still made the finals. Federer's apologists are looking for excuses. Truth is, he's not so clearly the best anymore and they can't handle it.

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I don't get it. The best grasscourters in the women's draw still made the finals. Federer's apologists are looking for excuses. Truth is, he's not so clearly the best anymore and they can't handle it.
federer was in decline this year but you cant deny that grass is slowing over the years
watch the 2001 final of ivanisevic and pat rafter vs this final of 2008
you will see how much the grass has changed


even amelie and venus after winning in 2006 and 2007 said that the grass is so slow compared to previous years

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Clay should be slow. Grass should be fast. Go back to the old days please!

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federer was in decline this year but you cant deny that grass is slowing over the years
watch the 2001 final of ivanisevic and pat rafter vs this final of 2008
you will see how much the grass has changed


even amelie and venus after winning in 2006 and 2007 said that the grass is so slow compared to previous years
Watch the 2002 final. Hewitt vs. Nalbandian. That is when the grass was slowed down. Federer won all his Wimbledons on this slow grass. If the grass were as fast as the 90's he would have lost the final to Roddick in 2004 and 2005. He could have even lost in 2003 to Philippousis. He could have even lost earlier to big servers or serve and volleyers. He has benefitted as much as anyone from the slowing down of the surface so he should be the last to complain, especially now.

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vee said the wimbledon and the U.S. open are slower now.
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What's the point of even having grass court tournaments when they're playing almost identically to hard courts? We may as well just play Wimbledon on green hard court...it will have exactly the same effect and people won't be fooled into thinking that tennis contains any semblance of diversity anymore.
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CC was ridiculously slow this year. Even slower than last year. The only thing that makes it feel like grass are the bad bounces. The ball was clearly bouncing higher. The US Open hardcourts have become faster than Wimbledon.
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Watch the 2002 final. Hewitt vs. Nalbandian. That is when the grass was slowed down. Federer won all his Wimbledons on this slow grass. If the grass were as fast as the 90's he would have lost the final to Roddick in 2004 and 2005. He could have even lost in 2003 to Philippousis. He could have even lost earlier to big servers or serve and volleyers. He has benefitted as much as anyone from the slowing down of the surface so he should be the last to complain, especially now.
That's bullshit obviously since his game is designed for quick winners from the serve and the forehand. He also would make a very good S&V. There's so much Fed hate these days.
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That's bullshit obviously since his game is designed for quick winners from the serve and the forehand. He also would make a very good S&V. There's so much Fed hate these days.
Not really. His game is designed around rallying creatively until he gets an opening to unleash that forehnd or get into net to finish the point. Quick winners from the serve and forehand describe Roddick. I admit Federer is one of the best volleyers but he is not a true serve and volley player at all. In most big matches in the past few years he has chosen to stay behind more often than not. He has had great success on slow and fast hardcourts too. So it's a poor excuse to suggest that making grass play like a hardcourt worked against him. He only started winning slams AFTER Wimbledon was slowed down. Like I said before, if Wimbledon were still like in the 90's, Federer wouldn't be able to count on breaking his opponent as freely as he does nowadays.

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He only started winning slams AFTER Wimbledon was slowed down.
You realize that this is a completely moot pooint to make considering Wimbledon was hist first slam ever. That doesn't tell anything.

And Wimbledon is NOT like a hard court, or else Nadal would've sucked there. It's some weird mix of slow and bad bounces.

I don't know what's your point because his only competition is Nadal. Making the court faster would hurt Nadal and benefit him. And @ that usless prick Roddick. He's going to get beaten on a fast, slow or whatever court by Federer.
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You realize that this is a completely moot pooint to make considering Wimbledon was hist first slam ever. That doesn't tell anything.
It tells that Federer has "owned" this slower grasscourt. It has helped him a lot and the fact that he lost today has nothing to do with the speed of the court.

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And Wimbledon is NOT like a hard court, or else Nadal would've sucked there. It's some weird mix of slow and bad bounces.
1.Nadal leads the h2h with Federer on hardcourt
2.Bad bounces should work against Nadal with his heavy topspin yet still he lost And it is not "slow". The French Open is "slow". Wimbledon at 20% slower is still playing as fast as a fast hardcourt.

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I don't know what's your point because his only competition is Nadal. Making the court faster would hurt Nadal and benefit him.
Clearly that's the hope of his fans.

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And @ that usless prick Roddick. He's going to get beaten on a fast, slow or whatever court by Federer.
That proves your objectivity right there.

Like I said, fedtards are having a doozy of a time coming to terms wih him not clearly being the best anymore.

psst.He's probably not going to end the year no. 1 either *hides the knives*

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