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Cheating, when challenging calls!!!!

I'm getting sick and tired of Players who can't decide for themselves if they should challenge or not.
They actually ask there coaches, moms and others if they shall Challenge a call.


This just ridiculous, they should get a warning then lose a point.(because it's coaching)which is cheating and must stop!
Tennis is not a team sport! This not only affects the game but how the game is being played.
Elena, JJ,Pova,ANA, and many others do this shit, it must stop.
WTA should take appropriate actions against this!

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Re: Cheating, when challenging calls!!!!

i agree
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Re: Cheating, when challenging calls!!!!

Never seen Maria do that. She usually asks the umpire if the ball was close or not.
But I agree that asking their box whether they will challenge shouldn't be allowed.

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Re: Cheating, when challenging calls!!!!

real cheating is bad line calls
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i no they need to enforce a rule on it.

all players do it and its just stupid

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real cheating is bad line calls
Bad line calls is just a part of the game, but asking your box wether the ball is out, is just cheating!

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i dont see the harm in it? they just want a second opinion, because lets face it if their ball was in, or their opponent ball was out then they deserve the point no matter what.

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Re: Cheating, when challenging calls!!!!

Anything that helps correct a bad line call is a good thing. It's not really cheating - and that's why the players usually and sensibly don't get warnings for it. The purpose of Hawkeye was never to set some sort of test to the players without help. It was simply so that wrong line-calls could get corrected.. In other sports - players don't have to challenge to use hawkeye. The decision to use hawkeye is made by the umpire. In cricket - the umpire automatically uses hawkeye for close run out decisions.

It may be "coaching" according to a definition that was drafted before hawkeye existed. But you don't need to be a coach to say whether a ball was in or out.

Players often try to get assistance from the chair umpire by asking him/her. Nowadays the umpires nearly all oblige by saying "It was In" or "It was out" or "It was close". It would make sense if they legalised that assistance in whether to challenge was allowed.

Cracking down on it - which I don't think they'll do - won't do a thing. Doesn't have to be the coach. And they'll just have less detectable signals. In other words - the only difference is it will be worse because players will now be deceitful and do it obeying the 11th commandment "Thou shalt not get caught".

Introducing more challenges is another thing they might do so it's less likely a player runs out of challenges.

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i don’t see the harm in it? They just want a second opinion, because lets face it if their ball was in, or their opponent ball was out then they deserve the point no matter what.
If they want a second opinion they should play doubles and ask there partner if it's in our out.

Like i said before its how the game is played! and for all those cheaters who do break the rules, they must get penalties.

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The challenge system is ridiculous enough as it is. As long as it isn't available on all courts during a championship it is an unfair advantage to certain players.


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They look to their coaches and parents for assurances, because you only get a certain amount of challenges, so you really have to make sure you do it at the right times. If you do and get it wrong, then you could just waste a challenge that might be needed later in the set.

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Re: Cheating, when challenging calls!!!!

Well you can all moan all you like. I applaud the authorities and chair umpires for not giving warnings and jeopardising the chances of overturning an incorrect line call which no-one whining here seems concerned about.

I think that's how it will stay with more sense shown than the whiners here.

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I'm getting sick and tired of Players who can't decide for themselves if they should challenge or not.
They actually ask there coaches, moms and others if they shall Challenge a call.


This just ridiculous, they should get a warning then lose a point.(because it's coaching)which is cheating and must stop!
Tennis is not a team sport! This not only affects the game but how the game is being played.
Elena, JJ,Pova,ANA, and many others do this shit, it must stop.
WTA should take appropriate actions against this!
Don't forget Serena & Venus. Yes, I've seen them both do it. You're talking about pretty much every player here.

Goodbye WTA and Jelena. It was nice being your fan once.
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Re: Cheating, when challenging calls!!!!

The challenge system dosen't really work anyways. In the Safin vs. Federer match, Safin challeneged a close serve and the machine picked up the wrong mark and showed it at least 3 feet away. ridiculous. everyone just laughed including Safin and Federer and I don't think it costed Safin a challenge. THe whole system is flawed, imo.
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Re: Cheating, when challenging calls!!!!

what a stupid thread.





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