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I don't mean to beat a dead horse

or however the saying goes, but it seems at this Wimbledon especially, the commentators are attributing the Williamses' talent to their natural athleticism.

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Re: I don't mean to beat a dead horse

then stop beating it
on topic their height matters a lot on grass because it helps them to generate power on their serves and wimbledon is basically a fast surface where serve is the most important factor

its not just the williams sisters but all power players who will do well here like maria lindsay etc the grass favors the power players

the same case holds for the french open
movement is the key on clay and the ability to run after the shots and stay in points
thats why henin dominated clay

height is not that big a factor
i think ana ivanovic is the only player above 6 ft tall to have ever won the french open

its all about surfaces
the points I made above are not the only reason but height and athleticism plays a factor

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Re: I don't mean to beat a dead horse

I heard a rumor that Venus and Serena are excellent tennis players, as well.
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or however the saying goes, but it seems at this Wimbledon especially, the commentators are attributed the Williamses' talent to their natural athleticism.
So what would you attribute it to ?
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Their ability to play tennis duh.
But you cannot separate that from their athleticism, especially on grass. There's a reason why they are excellent on grass but lose to Pennetta and Srebotnik on clay. Richard Williams himself said to Pam Shriver Venus' best strenght is to run fast.
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Their ability to play tennis duh.
Which has nothing to do with how good an athelete they both are ?
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Methinks the "unwritten" point being made is that commentators are attributing the Williamses success to athleticism, while white players like Justine, Hingis etc are generally creditied with cerebral prowess. As if to further suggest that intelligence and athleticism are mutually exclusive. Obviously to reach the highest level of any sport, one has to demonstrate BOTH.

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Re: I don't mean to beat a dead horse

clearly someone doesn't have anything else to worry about...

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clearly someone doesn't have anything else to worry about...
Just an observation.
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Re: I don't mean to beat a dead horse

I think i get what supergrunt is trying to say

Every time they talk about the way the play they never say "oh they are great tacticians" or "oh that was a smart shot". Always to do with their power and stuff

It's NOT FAIR!!

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I think i get what supergrunt is trying to say

Every time they talk about the way the play they never say "oh they are great tacticians" or "oh that was a smart shot". Always to do with their power and stuff

It's NOT FAIR!!
Are you serious ?
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Lisa Raymond is a jock, Alicia Molik et al , where are there singles Grand Slam titles? Semifinals? Finals?

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Are you serious ?
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maybe i wasn't that clear but i know what am trying to say i just have to say it better

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Methinks the "unwritten" point being made is that commentators are attributing the Williamses success to athleticism, while white players like Justine, Hingis etc are generally creditied with cerebral prowess. As if to further suggest that intelligence and athleticism are mutually exclusive. Obviously to reach the highest level of any sport, one has to demonstrate BOTH.
This is very speculative. Unless a commentator specifically mentions that athleticism and "cerebral prowess" are mutually exclusive, there isn't anything wrong to point out the Williams' athleticism is what contribute to their success on grass. It's kinda hard to deny it when you see Venus serve or run.

What's funny is that Richard probably would have no problem to acknowledge it... So it's really a non-issue.

In case some people aren't aware, tennis is a sport. Being a great athlete is the aim.
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This is very speculative. Unless a commentator specifically mentions that athleticism and "cerebral prowess" are mutually exclusive, there isn't anything wrong to point out the Williams' athleticism is what contribute to their success on grass. It's kinda hard to deny it when you see Venus serve or run.

What's funny is that Richard probably would have no problem to acknowledge it... So it's really a non-issue.

In case some people aren't aware, tennis is a sport. Being a great athlete is the aim.
It's a black thing you wouldn't understand.

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