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Why Serena Williams often beats Venus Williams

In another thread, it was pointed out that Venus Williams can't quite get that "killer instinct" against her younger sister. I added that was due in part to her years of "mothering" her. The thing is that Serena Williams has no problem finding that "I'll take you out" vibe against Venus. She gives no quarter as these comments make clear:

Q. Do you think you and Venus can become No. 1 and 2 again? Is that still your target?
SERENA WILLIAMS: Well, my target is obviously to be the best in my sport. I don't really know what her target is.
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Q. The Bryan brothers focus on tennis, but they have a sense of knowing what the next move is. Do you have the sense with Venus, ESP, or is it more clunky?
SERENA WILLIAMS: I think I do have that sense, but just because I've practiced against her so much and I know her game and I watch her game and I kind of know what's going on. You know, she's an opponent. You scout your opponents.
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Q. Do you remember when she beat you here for the first time? You were none too happy. She put her arm around you and consoled you.
SERENA WILLIAMS: Yeah, I hate to lose.
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Q. Does it hurt you more to lose to Venus than to others, or does it hurt less?
SERENA WILLIAMS: It definitely hurts less to lose to her. I mean, I'll be bitter, but at the end of the day it's a lot easier to losing to someone that I feel I should normally beat.
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Q. Do you see your sister as the favorite for this tournament now?
SERENA WILLIAMS: I would never sit here and say she's the favorite when I'm still in the draw. What are you on?

Q. The oddsmakers are 11‑5, 13‑5. She is the favorite slightly.

SERENA WILLIAMS: Yeah, well, she won last year. Maybe that has something to do with it. But I'm not going to sit here and say she's the favorite when I'm still in the tournament. That's not me. I always believe that I'm the favorite. Even if I'm not the favorite, I'm always going to believe that I am.
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Re: Why Serena Williams often beats Venus Williams

That was true 5 years ago, but I think both sisters have matured and are past that now.

Venus will have no problem playing Serena on Saturday.
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Re: Why Serena Williams often beats Venus Williams

Yes, the serve and forehand have nothing to do with it...


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That was true 5 years ago, but I think both sisters have matured and are past that now.
Those comments are from today's interview
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I do not think there will be a problem with Venus beating Serena either, in my opinion, it is Venus's time. I think she is older and wiser and realizes that the opportunities will not last forever. I look for Venus to go on a dominant run, if she can stay healthy. Her health has always been her problem after Wimbledon. I just have a feeling that this is Venus's time.
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Yes, the serve and forehand have nothing to do with it...
You got it. Venus Williams has a more powerful serve and forehand than Serena Williams.
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Re: Why Serena Williams often beats Venus Williams

Serena is very arrogant
But that's good to see in a player, shows that they have confidence in themselves, but i want Venus to win


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Re: Why Serena Williams often beats Venus Williams

idk who deserves to win more
probably venus

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Re: Why Serena Williams often beats Venus Williams

One day people will accept the fact that Serena was, is, and always will be better than Venus. This "lack of killer instict" garbage is nothing more than delusion used by those who refuse to see what's right in front of them. Serena defeated Venus in all those finals because she was the better player in those matches. Same for Venus in the huge matches she won. I don't see Serena fans here making excuses for those times Venus beat Serena. It seems that bitterness runs deep in Venus's fanbase and that's too bad.
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Re: Why Serena Williams often beats Venus Williams

They both do everything so well. On grass, I think Venus is a touch better at everything. Movement, serving, net play ... the key things that make a winning combo on grass. To me, Serena would have to play the match of her life (like 2002) to beat Venus.
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Re: Why Serena Williams often beats Venus Williams

Venus doesn't have that killer instinct against anyone.

The only times I have ever seen her with fire in her eyes, like she wanted to rip someone apart limb by limb was against Sharapova 2x at Wimbledon. All the other matches, it was just tennis. Amazing tennis, but Venus isn't cut-throat. But she won 6 slams, and soon to be 7 by not being cut-throat. Not something I would complain about.
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well I think thats why the matches in 2002 werent very close..... but even to say if she had it she still would have only factored in the Wimbledon matches IMO...

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Re: Why Serena Williams often beats Venus Williams

Let's not forget that they have one more match to play before we start saying they will be in the final.
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One day people will accept the fact that Serena was, is, and always will be better than Venus. This "lack of killer instict" garbage is nothing more than delusion used by those who refuse to see what's right in front of them. Serena defeated Venus in all those finals because she was the better player in those matches. Same for Venus in the huge matches she won. I don't see Serena fans here making excuses for those times Venus beat Serena. It seems that bitterness runs deep in Venus's fanbase and that's too bad.
If you think their sisterly bond hasn't affected either of them at one time or another then you are delusional.
THE 00 Wimby Semi and 02 French final come to mind. In the former Serena plays the best up until the semi then folds when facing Vee - you don't think Serena already accomplishing Papa Williams "prophecy" winning a slam could deny Venus her opportunity to win her 1st. In the latter, Venus is up 4 to 1 in slams while during her run Serena was slumping - you think Venus went out and gave it her all for that French final?
And as for Serena winning all their slam finals because she was the better player, revisted Wimby 03 - It was Venus that was on fire until her abdominal tear halted her in her tracks - not Serena.
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Re: Why Serena Williams often beats Venus Williams

The reason Serena has beaten Venus is because she is just a better player! No mental crap involved. Serena's game is better. Her serve is BETTER! Her forehand is BETTER! Hell even her backhand is better, with the way Venus hits it now. Venus has the better movement/court coverage and volleys but Serena is the better fighter. Hence why Serena is better than Venus. Also, Serena is more willing to change up her game.

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