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Dokic defeats Hingis in straight sets 1999 Wimbledon 90 68.18%
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Most Humiliating Loss at Wimbledon Hingis or Graf?

Most Humiliating Loss at Wimbledon?

(1994 Wimbledon June 22, 1994) 30 year old and Unseeded Lori Mcneil defeated Steffi Graf 7-5, 7-6 (7-5).

Graf became the first defending champion in the 108 year history of Wimbledon's coveted women's singles crown to discover herself dethroned in the 1st round. At Wimbledon, Graf's previous weakest efforts had come with 4th round defeats in '84 and '85. McNeil made a point of attacking both the net and Graf's unsteady backhand; time and again she pushed the German deep into her least favorite corner and was rewarded by a weak backhand into the net.

Graf bumbled through the first set, always playing catchup, only to double fault at set point after the match resumed at 5/5 after an hourlong rain delay. Graf broke McNeil in the third game of the 2nd set, and then went up by 4/2 after a rain delay, but McNeil broke her as she attempted to serve for the second set. Pushed into a familiar corner, Graf made a familiar mistake and dumped a backhand into the net. That same scenario cost her the set point she earned against McNeil in the 11th game. Two more errors in the tie breaker, a netted smash and a double fault, put Graf behind, 4/3, and once Lori went ahead, 6/3, with a backhand volley, Graf knew she was, quite literally, about to make the wrong kind of history.


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(1999 Wimbledon June 23, 1999) 16 year old and Unseeded Jelena Dokic defeated Martina Hingis 6/2 6/0.

It was only the third time in Wimbledon history that a top seed had lost an opening match. With a backhand return that popped out of bounds at match point, Hingis, the world's No. 1-ranked player, surrendered in only 55 minutes, 6/2, 6/0, to Dokic, a 129th-ranked Australian qualifier who pulled off the biggest Grand Slam upset of the Open era.

The Swiss Miss ( who won the title in 1997) had counted herself a favorite , instead, she became the 3rd top seeded woman since 1968 to falter in the first round of a major tournament. And Jelena (thus joined Lori McNeil, who upset Steffi Graf at Wimbledon in 1994, and Australia's Margaret Sawyer, who stunned Virginia Ruzici in the 1979 Australian Open. Dokic, who arrived in Australia 7 years ago by way of Serbia and Belgrade totally dominated Hingis. ''She's got all the shots in the book,'' Dokic said, ''and she can do anything. I mean, she's No. 1 in the world, but once I got going, I played very well. Everything worked today: I knew I had to keep it deep, play to her forehand, hit winners. I don't think there was any pressure at all, because she's the one who was supposed to win.''

''She played a great match,'' said Hingis, who noticed the crowd seemed partial to the underdog. ''They were clapping for her great shots, not against me. I just didn't make many winners. They had nothing to clap about.''

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Re: Most Humiliating Loss at Wimbledon

In 1994, there were 16 seeds at slams. Lori McNeil was #20, had won Birmingham two weeks earlier, and was clearly a top-10 grass player even before that '94 semifinal.

By contrast, Dokic wasn't a player yet.
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The Dokic vs Hingis one because of the scoreline.

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^^ BOTH of these reasons make me choose Dokic
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Dokic...she humiliated Martina.
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Steffi lost at wimbledon 94 because she met a very good grassplayer and she wasn't in the form of her life. She was still competive anyway
Hingis tanked at wimbledon because she lost at the french and rather wanted to be on the beach with a lover

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What makes Lori McNeil's victory more exceptional was that Steffi Graf had literally dominated the women's tour since winning the French Open in 1993.
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How old is thread starter? I saw this match - Steffi played ok but Lori was too good. Amazing service & volley
Hingis played awful almost tank this match
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Steffi lost at wimbledon 94 because she met a very good grassplayer and she wasn't in the form of her life.

Hingis tanked at wimbledon because she lost at the french and rather wanted to be on the beach with a lover

It's even a shame to compare the two
Graf regarded all her opponents as inherently inferior, and when she lost to someone, she would blame it on having an off-day, bad weather conditions or whatever, and would expect to have beaten them on an `average' day.

Graf would make her excuses in advance, citing a major injury just before a tournament began, and then saying after winning a round or two that she almost pulled out of the tournament before it started. That way, if she won she was perceived as an even greater heroine, and if she lost then the excuse was in place for her already.
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Graf regarded all her opponents as inherently inferior, and when she lost to someone, she would blame it on having an off-day, bad weather conditions or whatever, and would expect to have beaten them on an `average' day.

Graf would make her excuses in advance, citing a major injury just before a tournament began, and then saying after winning a round or two that she almost pulled out of the tournament before it started. That way, if she won she was perceived as an even greater heroine, and if she lost then the excuse was in place for her already.
Well, they were. There was not a player in the 90's that Graf didn't have her way with at one time or another. The only ones who come close are Seles and Navratilova. And both of them got torn apart by Graf on occasion.

Wrong again. Graf barely spoke in her press conferences. She would say what she thought was the cause of the match result, and she ALWAYS pointed out that the opponent is a legitimate cause for forehand errors. And then she would stop. She never took the bait.

The only top player that has ever to my knowledge given a laundry list of ailments before a tournament is Kim Clijsters. And she was generally broken anyways, so it was accurate. But you're misrepresenting a lot of things here. You can fault Graf for many things, but her professionalism and sportsmanship are beyond question.
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Wrong again. Graf barely spoke in her press conferences. She would say what she thought was the cause of the match result, and she ALWAYS pointed out that the opponent is a legitimate cause for forehand errors. And then she would stop. She never took the bait.

The only top player that has ever to my knowledge given a laundry list of ailments before a tournament is Kim Clijsters. And she was generally broken anyways, so it was accurate. But you're misrepresenting a lot of things here. You can fault Graf for many things, but her professionalism and sportsmanship are beyond question.
Graf, or her camp, would practically publicize the injury beforehand. When she would win, as she usually has over the years, even though everyone by then knew she was suffering from a bad back/ankle/period/father/cold/wrist/neck/toe/finger/sinus infection/etc., it would just add to her aura of invincibility.

If by some chance she were to actually lose, it could go without saying, by the Graf camp, that the injury was responsible, not the play of Graf or her opponent. The media would have the obit all ready in advance, as it were.

The ultimate lesson is that the only woman who can really beat Steffi is Steffi herself.

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Graf, or her camp, would practically publicize the injury beforehand. When she would win, as she usually has over the years, even though everyone by then knew she was suffering from a bad back/ankle/period/father/cold/wrist/neck/toe/finger/sinus infection/etc., it would just add to her aura of invincibility.

If by some chance she were to actually lose, it could go without saying, by the Graf camp, that the injury was responsible, not the play of Graf or her opponent. The media would have the obit all ready in advance, as it were.

The ultimate lesson is that the only woman who can really beat Steffi is Steffi herself.
The German press didn't need Steffi to make a story. They simply liked drama
If Steffi had been in Henin's shoes during australian open 2007 imagine what they would have made up. Maybe the belgian press did too, but I got the feeling there wasn't much speculation what really happened with Henin's marriage. Now if it had been Steffi she probably would have been abused, cheated on and definitely being extremely depressed and etc.


And every topplayer should think that the match is always in their hands. I don't understand why people have a problem with that
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What makes Lori McNeil's victory more exceptional was that Steffi Graf had literally dominated the women's tour since winning the French Open in 1993.
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Staying on topic, like someone said Hingis didn't care about the result while Steffi did so the answer is Steffi
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