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post #1 of 94 (permalink) Old Jun 11th, 2008, 12:53 AM Thread Starter
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Kim vs Maria - whose the better player at their best?

Since one smidgeon of a rumour that Kim may return seems to have descended into endless arguments about whether Kim or Maria is better (how predictable!), who do we actually rate to be the better player??

Sure, Maria has won 3 grandslams while Kim only has one. Kim however, has won many more titles, and has had long periods of absense through injury when she would have been a major favuorite for grandslam titles. Maria has been acknoeldged for her tough play under pressure, while Kim has been criticised for underperforming under pressure. However, Kim has displayed periods of utter brilliance and dominance, such as her hardcourt performance in 2005, where she displayed a level of tennis that no-one could dispute wasnt way better than anyone else at the time. Maria has never shown that kind of form over any period of time, but instead has been a consistent top 5 contender without ever putting a real class between herself and the rest of the field the way Kim did at certain periods. Kim also had 2 different years where she won 9 titles each, Maria has never won more than 5 titles in a year.

Kim leads their head to head 4-3

anyways, the question is - who is the better player when both are playing at their very best?? For me, its Kim every time!! Kim's game reached a standard of play only matched in this generation by Venus, Serena and Justine. Maria, Mauresmo and any other grandslam champions on this decade have not played at the same level these four women have displayed at various points in this decade, and while Maria has won more grandslams, in my mind and in any hardcore tennis fans mind, I think they would have to admit that Kim in top form would humble Maria on top form on any surface other than grass - on US Hardcourts and on Clay Maria wouldnt have a chance against Kim playing in top form!
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Re: Kim vs Maria - whose the better player at their best?

Is this a joke?
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Re: Kim vs Maria - whose the better player at their best?

This is a ridiculous poll for a meaningless result.
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poor maria and her fans.
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Re: Kim vs Maria - whose the better player at their best?

Kim.
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Kim. She could do everything better than Maria.

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Re: Kim vs Maria - whose the better player at their best?

Kim, of course
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Re: Kim vs Maria - whose the better player at their best?

Oh God. And I read that Maria is overrated? This thread is so pointless. Go compare Kim with the likes of Pierce and Mauresmo, Maria's in the superior league.
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Re: Kim vs Maria - whose the better player at their best?

The answer is in the original post. Kim won 9 titles in an individual year twice. The most Sharapova has won in a year is 5. When Kim played well, she won more. Plus her game is alot more complete than Sharapova's. She has great defense and decent offense from the baseline, plus a great net game to back all that up. Kim only struggled mentally in bigger matches against the mentally stronger players (Henin, Serena, Venus) but Maria does not fall into their category, hence the 4-3 H2H.
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The answer is in the original post. Kim won 9 titles in an individual year twice. The most Sharapova has won in a year is 5. When Kim played well, she won more. Plus her game is alot more complete than Sharapova's. She has great defense and decent offense from the baseline, plus a great net game to back all that up. Kim only struggled mentally in bigger matches against the mentally stronger players (Henin, Serena, Venus) but Maria does not fall into their category, hence the 4-3 H2H.
Sharapova is 4 years younger than Kim and currently boasts a 30-3 record with 3 titles, heading into her best part of the season. Let's wait and see.

And Kim built up that head2head against Maria with her best tennis, and Maria won their last three matches in straight sets, all on Kim's favorite surface.

How about you look at Kim's head2head against Ana, for instance.
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The answer is in the original post. Kim won 9 titles in an individual year twice. The most Sharapova has won in a year is 5. When Kim played well, she won more. Plus her game is alot more complete than Sharapova's. She has great defense and decent offense from the baseline, plus a great net game to back all that up. Kim only struggled mentally in bigger matches against the mentally stronger players (Henin, Serena, Venus) but Maria does not fall into their category, hence the 4-3 H2H.
Kim is the best example of "quantity over quality". Maria has thrice more slams and more tiers1 under her belt.
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Kim by a smidgeon, but masha maintains a high level more frquently, and if a mental strength category was given equal weight as forehands and backhands, it would be maria hands down.

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Actually, I think Clijsters' brought the highest level of tennis to the court of any player I've ever seen. She was easily the most athletic, fast, versatile champion of the last decade and could crush the ball at will... If her game was pulled together like it was in '05 nobody else could compete, Maria too.

And their h2h is meaningless. Look at their match in Australia 2007, have you ever seen Clijsters play such a dreadful match? I don't think so...

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Re: Kim vs Maria - whose the better player at their best?

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Is this a joke?
Yes it is, and an awful joke!
First of all, Kim was a real choker and afraid of facing Henin during those slam finals, then she stated herself as a quitter because she couldn´t handle her injuries and quit the sport because of that... And her game, she could attack, but the retrieving was the most of it
To compare her to Maria, a real fighter who NEVER gives up, it´s not afraid to face anyone, she also had her share of injuries, but she did manage to cope with them and return fiercely to competition, diferent from clijsters. Also Maria is way more effective than Kim ever was when Maria is on
So, Maria is the better player, without a doubt



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Sharapova is 4 years younger than Kim and currently boasts a 30-3 record with 3 titles, heading into her best part of the season. Let's wait and see.

And Kim built up that head2head against Maria with her best tennis, and Maria won their last three matches in straight sets, all on Kim's favorite surface.

How about you look at Kim's head2head against Ana, for instance.
You're right Sharapova is 4 yrs younger so she really should not be compared with greats like Kim until she's had her full career.

The H2H shows that Kim was comfortable against Sharapova. Kim was just coming back when she beat Sharapova (the current Wimbledon champion) in the Miami final, so she was not expected to win that. By the end of 06-start of 07 Kim was playing far from her best.

Ana has nothing to do with this.
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