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SLAM STATS: Keeping Pace w/the Greats (1st, 5th, 10th)

I compiled a listing of some of the top players, both past and present, who've all won at least one Major. Instead of looking at how young (or old) each player was when they won their slams, I'm focusing on how much previous slam experience each player had prior to winning their FIRST, THIRD, FIFTH, and TENTH slam titles.

Since everyone doesn't start playing tennis at the same age I've never been comfortable with age as the measure for early success on tour. A better measure would be something that could be held constant for all the players.

A more fair way to draw comparisons would be to look at the amount of slams played prior to winning a slam (slam experience). This approach takes into account players who couldn't participate in certain years because of age eligibility rules, injuries, or players who turned pro when they were older.

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Re: Serena and Justine on pace with Navrat w/Slam wins (Seles-Graf-Venus, etc...)

.The number listed by each player tells you how many slams the player participated in before winning their First, Third, Fifth, or Tenth slam.

(It's almost impossible to do these sorts of lists without making a few mistakes, so be sure to let me know if you see any)

FIRST SLAM TITLE:
*Margaret Court: 2
*Maureen Connolly: 3
Seles: 4
Tracy Austin: 6
Sharapova: 7
S.Williams: 7

Sanchez-Vicario: 7
Evert: 8
Hingis: 9
Kuznetsova: 10
Graf: 12
Mary Peirce: 12
V.Williams: 13
Kvititova: 13

Ivanovic: 14
Henin: 15
Navratilova: 15
Clijsters: 22
Azarenka: 25

Davenport: 26
Capriatti: 29
Mauresmo: 32
Stosur: 34
Schiavone: 39

Novotna: 44

Hingis always get noted for being the youngest slam winner- and while that's an admirable thing to accomplish at such a young age, she was able to play 8 slams before winning her first. I think it's more impressive that after playing in only 3 slams, Monica Seles was able to win in just her fourth slam that she ever played in.

Also interesting that Serena, Sharapova, and Sanchez-Vicario all won their first slam with less slam experience than Graf had when she won her first slam.

THIRD SLAM TITLE:
*Maureen Connolly: 5
*Margaret Court: 7
Seles: 8
Evert: 11
Hingis: 12
S.Williams: 16
Graf: 16
V.Williams: 17
Henin: 18
Sharapova: 21
Navratilova: 25
Sanchez-Vicario: 26
Davenport: 31
Clijsters: 31
Capriatti: 33

What a difference between Seles and Hingis compared to both Linday and Capriatti.

FIFTH SLAM TITLE:
*Maureen Connolly: 7
Seles: 10
Margaret Court: 10
Evert: 15
Hingis: 17
S.Williams: 18
Graf: 18
Henin: 25
Navratilova: 27
V.Williams: 32

Interesting that at this point both Serena and Hingis were both paced ahead of Navratilova who ended her career with 18 slams.

TENTH SLAM TITLE:
**Margaret Court: 19
Evert: 24
Graf: 29
Navratilova: 35
Serena: 37

It took Mauresmo 32 slam appearances before she could win her first and in less slams played Steffi and Chris Evert were able to win 10!!!

So how much total slam experience do the current player have as of 2010 Wimbledon:
(will update later, too lazy)
50 Slams played for Venus
43 Slams played for Serena
34 Slams played for Henin
32 Slams played for Kuznetsova
29 Slams played for Clijsters
29 Slams played for Sharapova

*slams won BEFORE the open era
**some won both BEFORE and AFTER the open era
(Thanks tennisvideos and OsloErik for the stats on Connolly and Court.)

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Re: Serena and Justine on pace with Navrat w/Slam wins (Seles-Graf-Venus, etc...)

Mademoiselle Seles. What a fucking travesty. She should be on at least the tenth GS win list...
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Thanks. very interesting.
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Re: Serena and Justine on pace with Navrat w/Slam wins (Seles-Graf-Venus, etc...)

Interesting perspective and I agree that this is a more fruitful way of looking at Slam success early on. Age is important when considering how mature a player has to be to win a Slam.

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Re: Serena and Justine on pace with Navrat w/Slam wins (Seles-Graf-Venus, etc...)

Do you know if Seles was able to win a slam faster than anyone else on tour since the open era? I would think that doing it after 4 slams would be a record.

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Re: Serena and Justine on pace with Navrat w/Slam wins (Seles-Graf-Venus, etc...)

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Do you know if Seles was able to win a slam faster than anyone else on tour since the open era? I would think that doing it after 4 slams would be a record.
I have no idea, to be honest. Maybe one of the stat gurus on the board will know. Whether it is or it isn't she was clearly on pace like no one in the history of the game. Too bad she couldn't have won that one final against ASV at the French, then she'd at least have ten.

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Re: Serena and Justine on pace with Navrat w/Slam wins (Seles-Graf-Venus, etc...)

In her first ever grand slam, Monica went all the way to the SF and had a great match with Steffi before going down. That has got to be one of the best ever debuts.
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Capriati and Mauresmo are evidence that no one with the skills to win a slam should ever give up.
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Re: Serena and Justine on pace with Navrat w/Slam wins (Seles-Graf-Venus, etc...)

Perhaps another interesting criteria would be too look at how many titles they had won before winning their slam. That would give you an idea of how successful they had been on the tour before winning a slam.
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Re: Serena and Justine on pace with Navrat w/Slam wins (Seles-Graf-Venus, etc...)

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In her first ever grand slam, Monica went all the way to the SF and had a great match with Steffi before going down. That has got to be one of the best ever debuts.
Venus made the US Open final in only her third ever grand slam played. The generation of players from 1990-2000 were some of the best ever.

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I have no idea, to be honest. Maybe one of the stat gurus on the board will know. Whether it is or it isn't she was clearly on pace like no one in the history of the game. Too bad she couldn't have won that one final against ASV at the French, then she'd at least have ten.
Well... shes at least tied with Nadal... whose never lost at the FO... he did however compete @ the Austrailian US Open, and then the Austrailian again before he played the FO.....
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Re: Serena and Justine on pace with Navrat w/Slam wins (Seles-Graf-Venus, etc...)

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Venus made the US Open final in only her third ever grand slam played. The generation of players from 1990-2000 were some of the best ever.

I was going to mention that. I would think that would have to be up there for the soonest to make a slam final.

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Venus made the US Open final in only her third ever grand slam played. The generation of players from 1990-2000 were some of the best ever.
yes, they were.... I read an article awhile about released in 94 on venus and saying in a time where "tennis phenoms" are popping up all over the place, venus williams is undeafeted in junior play.... and to think after that Serena, Justine, Kim were still to come...
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Re: SLAM STATS: Slam Experience vs. Age

If I'm inspired maybe I'll get around to listing what number of slam each player listed is currently on. We all know Sharapova is currently on her 21st, and she got there before Navratilova did, so who knows...

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