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Best Years With Suprisingly Low Rankings

Serena's win over Rodionova today got me thinking about her consistency over the past year, and her ranking outside the Top Ten.

I find it sort of ridiculous. She's played twelve tournaments - she won the biggest tournament outside the Majors at Miami. She lost in the quarterfinals of the four other Majors, Rome, and Stuttgart, finals in Moscow, and now the semifinals in Bangalore.

It got me thinking about other players who have had low rankings, but their results say otherwise.

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It's all about playing more to get decent points from 17 tournaments. I think Serena's ranking is accurate.

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when you play only 10 or 12 in the last 52 weeks, you need to win or reach the final in most of them to stay in top ten. QF in slams doesn't help at all bc the others are win like 2-3 titles and got more points.
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quarterfinals in a slam really isnt a "Great" result when you dont play anywhere else... if you think that means you're 1 of 8 girls to get to that round or better... essentially she would be "top 8 if thats all the points you get, but its not... If you notice theres a big drop off between top 8 and 9 as far as points. like 500 i think or somethin like that.... that dif is Serenas lack or other tournaments...
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Re: Best Years With Suprisingly Low Rankings

Miami isn't the biggest outside the slams-- that was Madrid. Serena didn't win a match there.

Her results aren't terrible, but each of the women ranked above her have been more impressive either by getting better results of playing a hell ov a lot more, or a combination of both.
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Re: Best Years With Suprisingly Low Rankings

BTW... last week Serena is only player in TOP10 which not have any "atleast SF" result in her ranking record (now its Dementieva which overtake Ree).

and I'm not even fan of Ana Ivanovic... just an objective observer who realize how perfect she is

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Miami isn't the biggest outside the slams-- that was Madrid. Serena didn't win a match there.
Miami is harder to win than Madrid. The players are fresh and the field is usually complete. Also, you lose once and you're out. It's called the 5th slam for a reason.

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Re: Best Years With Suprisingly Low Rankings

The YEC is better to win in terms of quality of tournament, but yes I think Miami is perhaps more difficult to win.

Anyway, Serena had a good year-end ranking of 7 last year, her best since 2004. This was because she finally, for the first time since 04, was playing consistent tennis everywhere. It would have been nice to see her beat Henin in one of those Slam QF's, but at least she was getting to those stages instead of losing 3R to the Craybases of the tour. Apart from tournaments she had to retire from, she reached the QF everywhere else. That is what it takes to maintain top 10.

She didn't get any higher though, because Henin, Kuznetsova, Jankovic, Ivanovic etc. were better throughout the year and were playing and winning in more events. So they fully deserved to be there.
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She was still the third best player of the year behind Venus and Justine.

Just because of that AO title.

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when you play only 10 or 12 in the last 52 weeks, you need to win or reach the final in most of them to stay in top ten. QF in slams doesn't help at all bc the others are win like 2-3 titles and got more points.
Yea enter Nicole.....her slams were SF,QF,QF and 3rd...plus she consistently reached QF or better in 6 of the other 8 events she played(all Tier 2 or above) yet she ended at 12 last year!

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quarterfinals in a slam really isnt a "Great" result when you dont play anywhere else... if you think that means you're 1 of 8 girls to get to that round or better... essentially she would be "top 8 if thats all the points you get, but its not... If you notice theres a big drop off between top 8 and 9 as far as points. like 500 i think or somethin like that.... that dif is Serenas lack or other tournaments...
You people like to pick and choose parts of others' posts.

I said that she had great results, yes. But, I did not mention only Majors.

WON - Miami (I)
QF - Rome (I)
QF - Paris (GS)
QF - Wimbledon (GS)
QF - New York (GS)
QF - Stuttgart (II)
F - Moscow (I)

Those are some terrific results for someone who ISN'T RANKED IN THE TOP TEN, is what I've been saying. I can't think of any other players in the past five years who have had that type of record and not been in the top ten - maybe Davenport in '02.

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You people like to pick and choose parts of others' posts.

I said that she had great results, yes. But, I did not mention only Majors.

WON - Miami (I)
QF - Rome (I)
QF - Paris (GS)
QF - Wimbledon (GS)
QF - New York (GS)
QF - Stuttgart (II)
F - Moscow (I)

Those are some terrific results for someone who ISN'T RANKED IN THE TOP TEN, is what I've been saying. I can't think of any other players in the past five years who have had that type of record and not been in the top ten - maybe Davenport in '02.
No, those are not terrific results.. especially for someone who plays so little. Look who's ahead of her. Even Bartoli has a slam final in her record while Serena doesn't have a slam SF. Also, Serena has only one title.. and only two finals appearances.

And it's not like she's outside the top 20. She's 30-10 in the last 12 months(not counting Bangalore). In 2003, Venus went 26-5 and although she missed half a season, she made two slam finals, won a Tier II, made another Tier II and still ranked outside the top 10. It's quantity over quality in many cases and even then, Serena hasn't been THAT great.

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Re: Best Years With Suprisingly Low Rankings

And this is a year when many top tournaments went to one player. I can imagine that in a more competitive year the players just outside the top 10 had even better results in the past 12 months.

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Re: Best Years With Suprisingly Low Rankings

For example, if we look at Seles' '00-'01 seasons.

Monica reached the four GS QFs, like Serena. She won one title (Tier II, Oklahoma City) compared to Serena's Miami. She reached the QFs in Sydney and the SF in Stanford and Scottsdale. She did reach the finals of three tournaments, which is what makes her year better...but still. She was ranked #4 at one point. So, 11 spots ahead of Serena? By only playing three more tournaments? Oh, and Serena even had a better win-loss percentage.

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Re: Best Years With Suprisingly Low Rankings

But, we don't have to focus on Serena's year.

This is meant to spark discussion over a variety of players.

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