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Why is Davenport's H2H so miserable against Serena Williams?

Serena leads 10-4 I don't know any other player who has such a one sided H2H against Lindsay. Even Graf is 8-6. How do you explain that?

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Re: Why is Davenport's H2H is so miserable against Serena Williams?

Lindsay has mental issues when playing Serena.
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Re: Why is Davenport's H2H is so miserable against Serena Williams?

Serena H2Hs against the majority of Grand Slam winners
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Re: Why is Davenport's H2H is so miserable against Serena Williams?

I dont think that there are any mental issues about it.

Serena moves faster than Davenport and hits more or less just as hard. Many of these wins came during Serenas peak period as well, when people were labelling her 'unbeatable' at her best.
Davenport has many qualities in her game that make her so tough, her accuracy, power, and serve. But at the time of many of these wins, Serena was a much tougher player than she is today, even if the game has advanced. Serena posseses the neccessary qualities to beat Davenport. And imo at her best, is slightly better, because of her speed and tenacity, two qualities that Lindsay is not known for.

Serenas excellent movement countered Davenports accuracy. Davenport would have to be painting lines continuously.
Serena hit juts as hard so no big advantage for one or the other in the power department. However Serena is more explosive in her power imo.
They both have increadable serves, Serena with extra points for her second serve.

Losing record 4-10 against Serena is nothing to be ashamed of though. Davenport might be able to get a few back if she stays on the tour a few more years.
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Re: Why is Davenport's H2H so miserable against Serena Williams?

Movement

S Williams, in peak condition - is such a fine damn mover around a tennis court.
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Re: Why is Davenport's H2H is so miserable against Serena Williams?

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I dont think that there are any mental issues about it.

Serena moves faster than Davenport and hits more or less just as hard. Many of these wins came during Serenas peak period as well, when people were labelling her 'unbeatable' at her best.
Davenport has many qualities in her game that make her so tough, her accuracy, power, and serve. But at the time of many of these wins, Serena was a much tougher player than she is today, even if the game has advanced. Serena posseses the neccessary qualities to beat Davenport. And imo at her best, is slightly better, because of her speed and tenacity, two qualities that Lindsay is not known for.

Serenas excellent movement countered Davenports accuracy. Davenport would have to be painting lines continuously.
Serena hit juts as hard so no big advantage for one or the other in the power department. However Serena is more explosive in her power imo.
They both have increadable serves, Serena with extra points for her second serve.

Losing record 4-10 against Serena is nothing to be ashamed of though. Davenport might be able to get a few back if she stays on the tour a few more years.

That pretty much sums it all up.

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Re: Why is Davenport's H2H so miserable against Serena Williams?

I think it is more mental than anything. Davenport doesn't do as well against mentally tough players. Like Henin, Sharapova, and Serena.
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Re: Why is Davenport's H2H so miserable against Serena Williams?

I think every player has at least one other player who they are just week against despite how brilliant they might otherwise be.

Henin 9 - 0 Jankovic
Venus 7 - 2 Henin

I'm sure there are many other examples.

Although in saying that Serena has a really impressive H2H record against a lot of great and good players. In the following list Sanchez Vicario and Jankovic are the only players with a winning head to head and Venus, Henin, Graf and Farina Elia are all tied with Serena. Her records against Davenport, Clijsters and Mauresmo are all quite impressive.

Serena 1-1 Graf
Serena 4-1 Seles
Serena 3-4 Sanchez Vicario
Serena 1-0 Novotna
Serena 2-1 Tauziat
Serena 5-0 Martinez
Serena 5-1 Pierce
Serena 10-7 Capriati
Serena 10-4 Davenport
Serena 7-6 Hingis
Serena 2-0 Kournikova
Serena 1-0 Ruano Pascual
Serena 1-0 Suarez
Serena 2-0 Raymond
Serena 9-2 Mauresmo
Serena 6-6 Henin
Serena 7-1 Clijsters
Serena 4-1 Zvonareva
Serena 4-2 Sharapova
Serena 3-1 Kuznetsova
Serena 6-1 Hantuchova
Serena 6-1 Petrova
Serena 5-0 Myskina
Serena 4-1 Dementieva
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Serena 2-0 Safarova
Serena 3-0 Sugiyama
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Serena 1-1 Farina Elia
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Re: Why is Davenport's H2H so miserable against Serena Williams?

Movement and better player. Not really a brain-teaser.
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Re: Why is Davenport's H2H so miserable against Serena Williams?

Serena is the one player that has troubled Lindsay the most during her career that Lindsay hasen't been able to impose her will as much. Serena is the one who really got to Lindsay. Even in the late 90's when Lindsay was at her best, Serena still got most of the wins.

It's not because Serena is necessarily better than Lindsay as a tennis player (IMO Lindsay has a better game), but I think the sheer athletiscm and willingess to fight got to Lindsay. Lindsay has been able to deal with the other strong wills in the game (Justine, Venus, Maria), but Serena had the strongest will. Some of their matches have been close though, it's not as if Lindsay was being thrashed all the time.
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Re: Why is Davenport's H2H so miserable against Serena Williams?

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I think every player has at least one other player who they are just week against despite how brilliant they might otherwise be.

Henin 9 - 0 Jankovic
Venus 7 - 2 Henin

I'm sure there are many other examples.

Although in saying that Serena has a really impressive H2H record against a lot of great and good players. In the following list Sanchez Vicario and Jankovic are the only players with a winning head to head and Venus, Henin, Graf and Farina Elia are all tied with Serena. Her records against Davenport, Clijsters and Mauresmo are all quite impressive.


Serena 3-2 Jankovic
Hoping for H2H 3-3, at the end of the week.
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Re: Why is Davenport's H2H so miserable against Serena Williams?

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I think every player has at least one other player who they are just week against despite how brilliant they might otherwise be.

Henin 9 - 0 Jankovic
Venus 7 - 2 Henin

I'm sure there are many other examples.

Although in saying that Serena has a really impressive H2H record against a lot of great and good players. In the following list Sanchez Vicario and Jankovic are the only players with a winning head to head and Venus, Henin, Graf and Farina Elia are all tied with Serena. Her records against Davenport, Clijsters and Mauresmo are all quite impressive.

Serena 1-1 Graf
Serena 4-1 Seles
Serena 3-4 Sanchez Vicario
Serena 1-0 Novotna
Serena 2-1 Tauziat
Serena 5-0 Martinez
Serena 5-1 Pierce
Serena 10-7 Capriati
Serena 10-4 Davenport
Serena 7-6 Hingis
Serena 2-0 Kournikova
Serena 1-0 Ruano Pascual
Serena 1-0 Suarez
Serena 2-0 Raymond
Serena 9-2 Mauresmo
Serena 6-6 Henin
Serena 7-1 Clijsters
Serena 4-1 Zvonareva
Serena 4-2 Sharapova
Serena 3-1 Kuznetsova
Serena 6-1 Hantuchova
Serena 6-1 Petrova
Serena 5-0 Myskina
Serena 4-1 Dementieva
Serena 1-0 Ivanovic
Serena 2-0 Vaidisova
Serena 4-0 Peer
Serena 3-2 Jankovic
Serena 2-0 Golovin
Serena 6-2 Schnyder
Serena 2-0 Safarova
Serena 3-0 Sugiyama
Serena 3-1 Schiavone
Serena 1-1 Farina Elia
Serena 2-0 Srebotnik
Serena 2-0 Molik
Serena 1-0 Li
Serena 3-0 Safina
Serena 7-7 Venus
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Hoping for H2H 3-3, at the end of the week.
Jelena leads 3-2 so you're hoping for 4-2, no?
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Re: Why is Davenport's H2H so miserable against Serena Williams?

Lindsay BUMS the Williamses.

I think her game matches up worse against players like Clijsters as she gets lots and lots back and be consistent rather whilst S and V do that but also like to be very aggressive which may or may not result in errors.

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