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post #1 of 65 (permalink) Old Jul 29th, 2002, 03:31 AM Thread Starter
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Im sorry but Jelena does not belong in top10

The only reason she's there is because she plays an excessive amount of tournaments. Now, Im not saying that she doesnt have the potential of becoming a true top 10 player because I think she does. But, she really needs to take some time off and try to figure out what she's doing. She's wearing herself out playing in all of these tournaments. I dont know what she's going to do but she needs to do something. New coach, maybe? Maybe her fans have some suggestions?
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post #2 of 65 (permalink) Old Jul 29th, 2002, 03:34 AM
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Being in the top ten, means that you have acquired a certain amount of points, that is exceeded by no more than nine other people.


Thus, Jelena belongs in the top ten, unless she is surpassed.

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Jelena is just a slave to Damir, and their need for money to fight their court case..

Its her own fault, she continues to let her fathers influence undermine a potentially succesful career...

I couldnt care less, the girl is a loser.

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i think she does.

If you look at her performances this year shes been very consistent in beating those ranked outside the top ten..her worst loss was to Schnyder(24) but she retired injured and her slam results are QF and 4TH RD.

shes definately been more consistent than others like Henin,Kim etc and well even if she hasnt beaten too many people ranked above her shes certainly done well against those below her.

I dont think she should be at no5, its true the amount shes played has put her a little above where she is..but for now shes a top ten player! at the end of the year we'll see tho cos jelena is defending alot and shell drop to about ten IMO

Good luck to the Aussie and Balkan girls!
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No. Really? Uh, uh!

My point is that she has to play alot of tournaments just to stay in the top10. She should be looking for quality instead of quantity. I just think she has so much potential and it is ruined because she's playing way too much. The last few times Ive watched her play it has been very frustrating because she should have won against Capriati and Lindsay. How can Lindsay come back after 9 months and not even get a challenge from Jelena, 6-2,6-2. That's pitiful. She should take some time off, even if her ranking slips and maybe think about getting a new coach or something.
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My above post was directed to Rebecca, thanks for your input everyone else.
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Jelena is #5? Well wonders never cease.
After the fall, I expect her to fall down to her rightful place, 9 or 10 at best.

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the ranking reflects what you do over a year in tournament play, which i think she deserves to be there cause she plays alot...if the ranking was based on talent, then she wouldnt be top ten on my list...



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I agree kay, it quantity not quality for a top ten ranking which is not right

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I agree that #5 is too high. She really hasnt performed as a top 5 player at Grand Slam level.

Playing so many events also gives her somewhat of an advantage because if she falters in one event, she pretty much has a 'second chance' to make amends the next week...whereas someone who plays 17 or less, has pretty much one shot at it (to count in their rank).
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Rather than state my opinions, I'll let her last 52 weeks speak for themselves:

Event, Tier, Result, Points

Moscow I WIN 339
Tokyo (Princess Cup) II WIN 298
Roland Garros Grand Slam QF 264
Zurich I FINAL 262
Paris II ($585K) FINAL 230
Birmingham III ($170K) WIN 186
Linz II FINAL 174
Bahia II FINAL 160
Sarasota IV WIN 157
Hamburg II ($585K) SF 156
U.S. Open Grand Slam 4th 146
Amelia Island II ($585K) SF 135
Strasbourg III ($170K) FINAL 134
Sanex Chps. Sanex QF 132
Wimbledon Grand Slam 4th 132
New Haven II QF 100
Toronto I 3rd 69

Remaining tournamnets not counted in Best of 17:
Stanford II ($585K) QF 65
Rome I ($1.224M) 3rd 61
Berlin I ($1.224M) 3rd 40
Miami I ($2.1M) 3rd 38
San Diego II 3rd 36
Los Angeles II 3rd 36
Indian Wells I ($2.1M) 3rd 36
Leipzig II 2nd (BYE) 1
Tokyo (Pan Pacific) I ($1.224M) 2nd (BYE) 1
Antwerp II ($585K) 2nd (BYE) 1
Charleston I ($1.224M) 2nd (BYE) 1
Eastbourne II ($585K) 2nd (BYE) 1

So...29 events, 15 quarterfinals or better, and the result that sticks out in my mind - only five first-match losses.

Jelena does deserve to be in the Top 10.

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Quantity v. quality

It doesn't take a genius to arrive at the conclusion that a top 10 ranking is gained as a result of beating other top-ranked players more consistently than lower ranked players...

If you do not have the talent, athleticism and sheer will to achieve that, it doesn't matter how often you play - you will never reach that level.

It's like tossing a coin, if you do it a few times, you might get lucky and be able to predict the outcome a high percentage of the time. But, the more you toss the coin, the more likely it is that the law of averages will catch up with you and your true ability of guessing heads or tails will become apparent - that is, that you're going to be right about 50% of the time.

The same goes for tennis matches. You might get lucky and catch a better player on a bad day when they're sick or injured. You might do this several times and achieve some victories that you might not otherwise have achieved. BUT, as with coin tossing, the more matches you play, the more likely it is that your true ability will be revealed and you will achieve the ranking that you truly deserve.

Now, explain to me again how it is that Jelena is only in the top 10 because she plays more matches...

(Actually there IS an answer but let's see how many of you lamebrains - who generate a sense of superiority by criticizing people who are infinitely better at what they do than the criticizers- know what it is....)

And - talking of quality v quantity - here's another question (especially for Chrispy) - how many bouncing frogs does a post have to contain before someone notices that you exist....?

Answer (especially for Chrispy) - none if you have something useful and intelligent to say......

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smart Jeff, but that whole first part of the post was kinda unneccesary

And ill' explain to you how Jelena's in the top ten. Since she plays more tourneys than other top players almost only half of her results actually count towards the ranking. So say she makes the quarters consistently, which a #5 ranked player should make every tourney, it will take those results and the few semis, finals, and titles she has won, (most of them coming when no other top 10 player was playing last year) when she is ranked. Says a top player that plays 17 or less tournaments loses in the first round of a tourney for whatever reason (ie, Henin, getting injured) this actually goes into the ranking of the player. Jelena should not be ranked ahead of Justine, Kim, Lindsay and maybe Martina. All these other players have had better results at the GS and had wins over other top players when they were at their peak. (ie. Kim beating Venus this year, Justine beating Serena this year). Half the time when Jelena plays week in and week out, she doesnt even have to face a Williams sister or Capriati thus winning the tournament of getting far.

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Why dont u look at it on the other side of the fence. sure Jelenas played alot and has back up events, but what if she did play a concentarted schedule and perhaps 'luckily' picked the events she performed best in over the past 52 weeks?

or...what if she does get more quality thru less quantity...

as others have said her dads just milking her for every penny..thats gonna limit her player development and in the end she might never get to the elite top 5 level(i mean on a permanent basis)..

Good luck to the Aussie and Balkan girls!
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I do think she belongs to TOP 10. She often lose easily to those TOP 5 girls. I mean she can play real well one day, and the other day, she plays bad enough to lose to anybody.

She needs to improve on many things.


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