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Question Why does Venus(and often Serena) always have to prove herself?

Venus, throughout her career, seems to always have been doubted. So many people don't consider her a realistic threat or force on tour and in the past few years, there must have been dozens of "Venus should retire" threads.
Serena also faces this kind of constant criticism.. but in her case, commentators and tennis fans, the phrase often used for her is "Seren'a slways a threat", "You can never rule out Serena", "She's not playing well right now, but you never know with Serena".

I don't want to seem like I'm whining as a Venus/WS fan, b/c this is from an objective standpoint. Henin wasn't declared finished after her rough patch in 2004-2005 and Sharapova wasn't declared done after a horrendous 2007. People are saying the WS are finished DESPITE both having their best year at slams since 2003.

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Re: Why does Venus(and often Serena) always have to prove herself?

The bottom line is they DO prove themselves, time and time again to the disgust of haters who wait for the next sign of potential vulnerability and pounce on them both.

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Re: Why does Venus(and often Serena) always have to prove herself?

Because many want them to be finished. As simple as that. Hénin is the technicians's sweetheart, Maria's the media's sweetheart.
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Re: Why does Venus(and often Serena) always have to prove herself?

maybe because they havent fulfilled their potential
and seem distracted most of the time

with a justine or a sharapova even when they are having a bad time u know that they are still focussed on the game
with the williams sisters especially serena you never know when she will withdraw to party

maria was doubted badly last year but no one said she was finished because she is just 20
but the bottomline is venus and serena dont seem that committed to tennis as justine or maria

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Re: Why does Venus(and often Serena) always have to prove herself?

Well, the reason is that they always do things the unconventional way - and the reason some things are conventional is that they work for most people. What I mean is that for most players to be in form you have to play, and compete and be match fit. And this is not just a tennis thing. Imagine if a football player were out for 7 months with an injury and then suddenly came back and dominated every game - its not impossible, it's unlikely.

Now when Serena and Venus virtually fell off the map in 2006 (due to injuries, disinterest WHATEVER) it wasn't an unreasonable claim to say, "Well, in your late 20s I don't see this player bouncing back."
Now the fact is that they both came back with a grand slam win last year just shows what exceptional players they are, but it doesnt make the commentators any wrong. And this is not a bias thing - people have been just as taken aback at Fatvenport winning every T4 in sight (yes yes I know, I hate Davenport and can't make a post without slamming her ) after her pregnancy year off, and Navratilova climbing back into the doubles top 10 at age 60.

As for Henin - well back in 2004 no one knew that she would turn in a perpetually injured flower maiden, she hadn't had any serious history of injury and she was a lot younger than Venus Williams is now.
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Re: Why does Venus(and often Serena) always have to prove herself?

Because that's the way sports and the world works. You can lose one match in your last 85425802948542 matches, and you can bet that there will be articles about whether your domination is over or whether the a new challenger has stepped up, it really doesn't matter who you are.

However, there are some people who still resent that Venus and Serena have always done things their own way and continue to do things their own way and have reached heights in accomplishments and popularity that few people tennis players will ever know.

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Re: Why does Venus(and often Serena) always have to prove herself?

Venus is a grass-court specialist. She rarely wins any other big tournaments all year long except Wimbledon... and this has been going on for like half a decade. Venus is very beatable at most tournaments. Serena, if she's fit, is not.

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Re: Why does Venus(and often Serena) always have to prove herself?

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Venus is a grass-court specialist. She rarely wins any other big tournaments all year long except Wimbledon... and this has been going on for like half a decade. Venus is very beatable at most tournaments. Serena, if she's fit, is not.

You know people are desperate when suddenly "only" being able to win one specific slam is something to look down upon. There are lots of players, including someone you love dearly who'd be wishing they could win any slam, let alone be playing right now.

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Re: Why does Venus(and often Serena) always have to prove herself?

Maybe because they're very unpredictable lately. You never know how they'll play next time. They may kick ass but they may play hopelessly too.

And Serena faces those kind of "criticism" because this is the fact. "She's not playing well right now, but you never know with Serena". I don't even see this as criticism, i rather see this as a complement. There were and there are very few women in tennis, who have earned that second part of the sentense. Most players would just get "She's not playing well right now. Period."
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Re: Why does Venus(and often Serena) always have to prove herself?

There is the racism part and the fact that they are not sub-serviant to the tour.They treat tennis as a pastime bacause they can afford to most of the players have to run from country to country to feed their families.I think they live a charmed life were they can come to an GS. event with little preparation and win a cool mil in 2wks.They have done it all and have nothing to prove,they have all that every player dream of and some will never achieve or find that success.Some are still chasing the dream that the sisters realised and might never find it.They have nothing to prove they were the last players to dominate the tour and up to now no player has played in five successive slams.If I am Serena and Vee I would be proud of my resume because its outstanding.Haters eat your hearts out!
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Re: Why does Venus(and often Serena) always have to prove herself?

Henin and Sharapova have always been perceived as people to whom tennis means almost everything. The WS are perceived as people who don't care as much about tennis. Clearly Venus and Serena don't much care about being ranked no1 or else they would play a lot more often. That also gives the impression that they don't much care about the sport and that they are "bored" with it. One would never associate this with Sharapova or Henin.

Of course this perception isn't necessarily accurate, but I think it goes a long way in showing why Serena and Venus have to "prove themselves".

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Re: Why does Venus(and often Serena) always have to prove herself?

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Henin and Sharapova have always been perceived as people to whom tennis means almost everything. The WS are perceived as people who don't care as much about tennis. Clearly Venus and Serena don't much care about being ranked no1 or else they would play a lot more often. That also gives the impression that they don't much care about the sport and that they are "bored" with it. One would never associate this with Sharapova or Henin.

Of course this perception isn't necessarily accurate, but I think it goes a long way in showing why Serena and Venus have to "prove themselves".
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Re: Why does Venus(and often Serena) always have to prove herself?

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Henin and Sharapova have always been perceived as people to whom tennis means almost everything. The WS are perceived as people who don't care as much about tennis. Clearly Venus and Serena don't much care about being ranked no1 or else they would play a lot more often. That also gives the impression that they don't much care about the sport and that they are "bored" with it. One would never associate this with Sharapova or Henin.

Of course this perception isn't necessarily accurate, but I think it goes a long way in showing why Serena and Venus have to "prove themselves".
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Re: Why does Venus(and often Serena) always have to prove herself?

don't think i've heard anyone say they can't win another slam. but as far as them being #1 or dominating, they definitely have to prove it.
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Re: Why does Venus(and often Serena) always have to prove herself?

The honest answer to this is that they weren't the product of the USTA so the powers that be were down on them from the beginning.

They shank a forehand and you can just hear Tracy Austin say, "If they'd played Juniors that wouldn't happen."

Fast forward and now their problem is still similarly based, until they do things exactly the way the USTA wants them to conduct themselves the powers that be will always lean towards spinning their actions as a cautionary tale instead of an inspirational one.

This is magnified by the fact that the USTA and the powers that be have yet to produce an American Superstar since the Williams Sisters arrived on the scene so there is also a bit of embarrassment driving the undercurrent of resentment.

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