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post #1 of 52 (permalink) Old Jul 27th, 2002, 10:48 PM Thread Starter
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A purely subjective top 12

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01 5742 Serena Williams   12 tournaments 
02 4976 Venus Williams    14 tournaments

03 3947 Jennifer Capriati 16 tournaments 

        The concensus third-best player 
        in the world.  Then Amelie 
        dropped the bomb on her at Wimbledon.
        Well, Amelie's a top ten player.

04 2859 Kim Clijsters     20 

        She should have shut it down two
        months ago.  Every indication is 
        she's still in pain and its
        affecting her play.  She's beaten
        ONE top ten player since Hamburg.
        Sandrine Testud.

        QF 's-Hertogenbosch
        32 Roland Garros
        64 Wimbledon

        Do we need to draw you a map, girl?

        Beat Lindsay at Stanford.  I'll shut up now.
That's the top 4. Here's the rest. A lot of these players have had some inexplicable loss dropped on them.
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05 2592 Lindsay Davenport  9 tournaments

        If she beats Clijsters at Stanford.        
        It's a guess.  So far, so good.
        Kim d Lindsay at Stanford 4-6 6-4 6-2.
        Nice return to action for LD.

06 2814 Hingis      12

        The Hantuchova loss at IW.
        On top of all the other losses to top ten
        players in the last year.
        Three wins over Monica
        Hope she plays the US Open.

07 3005 Justine Henin     23 

        Illness and injury.  But two 
        of her last three tournaments
        have been 1st round losses.
        She and Monica just played though.

08 3898 Monica Seles      19 

        I didn't see Lisa Raymond coming.
        3 wins over top ten players in 2002.
        8 losses to top ten players in 2002. 
        2 losses to NON-top ten players in 2002. 
        1 win over Hantuchova

09 3048 Jelena Dokic      29 

        Three losses to Kremer
        Two losses to Hantuchova
        Loss to Farina-Elia
        Loss to Smashnova        
        Loss to Myskina
        Loss to Bedanova

        You all are right, and I'm wrong.

10 2285 Mauresmo     18 

        Suspending judgement til I get
        over what she said at Wimbledon.
        The QFs of a GS is the QFs, though.

11 1951 Hantuchova   23 

        I can't take away Indian Wells.
        The record since
        
        Miami               64 L BLACK        6-4 4-6 2-6   
        Amelia Island       32 L HUSAROVA     4-6 6-3 1-6   
        Charleston          32 L PIERCE       3-6 4-6   
        Hamburg             QF L HINGIS       5-7 4-6   
        Berlin              QF L SMASHNOVA    6-1 2-6 3-6   
        Rome                64 L MYSKINA      4-6 4-6   
        Roland Garros       16 L SELES        4-6 5-7   
        Eastbourne          SF L MYSKINA      2-6 1-6   
        Wimbledon           QF L WILLIAMS     3-6 2-6
 
12 1711 Dementieva   25

        Can beat virtually anyone on tour.
        Can't win a tournament.
        No threat to win a GS.
        A threat to near anyone.

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Very good analysis Volcana, and I agree with all of it. Except Dokic at #5. Which for some reason is where she's actually ranked.
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Well, #5 is seeded to lose in the QF's. That's about Jelena. She's won a couple Tier I's, but she's no threat tothe really elite players. But she consistently beats most of theothers. And I consider the Hantuchova loss was to a near-elite player. It's like Jenn losing to Amelie. She shouldn't but Amelie at her best, like Daniela at her best ....

And if Kim beats Lindsay this analysis needs some re-adjusting.

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i think monica and hantuchova shud be higher and dokic lower...



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I think Monica and Amelie should be higher!
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Dokic? Dokic?

You have to answer for Santino, Carlo.
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08 3005 Justine Henin 23

Illness and injury. But two
of her last three tournaments
have been 1st round losses.
Incorrect, I'm afraid! She lost 1R FO, then played Rosmalen(SF), Wimby(SF), the 1R BOTW, so OK, 2 of last 4!

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I'd put them like this:

1. Serena
2. Venus
3. Lindsay
4. Jennifer
5. Martina
6. Monica
7. Kim
8. Justine
9. Jelena
10. Daniela
11. Amélie
12. Elena
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And if Kim beats Lindsay this analysis needs some re-adjusting.
Even if she doesn't she should be higher than 9!

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I agree 100% with Angele87!
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Thank you Bram

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Jelena Dokic is CERTAINLY not the 5th best player in the world. Not even close. She hasn't beaten a top player in ages. Hingis has beaten Dokic every time they've played except Wimbledon in 99. Hantuchova's also beaten Dokic every time. When she beats a top player, like Venus, Serena, Lindsay, or Jen...which Martina, Justine, and Kim have all been able to do, then I might move her up a few places but as for now, this is what I think

1. Serena
2. Venus
3. Lindsay
4. Jen
5. Martina
6. Monica
7. Justine
8. Kim
9. Daniela
10. Amelie
11. Jelena

Venus Williams-Ana Ivanovic-Serena Williams-Vika Azarenka-Caroline Wozniacki

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My questions about Dokic are these:

If she is the 5th best player in the world, how come she has played 17 tournaments so far this year and only gotten to a Final above the Tier III level once? Not made a Grand Slam semi in over 2 years? Got blitzed by Anne Kremer in easy straight sets not once, but THREE TIMES in the first few months of 2002.

Dokic should be behind everyone on this list except Dementieva.

You have to answer for Santino, Carlo.

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disposablehero"...how come she has played 17 tournament so fat this year..."

hey dont make fun of her size...



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