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For those that still doubt that the ranking system stinks

OK, Justine was dominant in 2007, had a great year, no doubts, still, it wasn't as dominant as say Graf or Navratilova or Evert or even Serena in 2002.

She won 2 GSs out of 3 played and got to the semis of the other.

Now, let's look at the point difference with #2 Kuznetsova before Australian Open.

Justine: 6,430 points
Sveta: 3,810 points

difference: 2,620 points.

Now, let's take Roland Garros (1,000 points), Wimbledon (450 points) and US Open (1,000 points off)

That's a total of 2,450 point.

Justine would still be # 1 by a difference of 170 points.

In other words, up to Sydney she has played 16 tournaments, take out the 3 GSs and with 13 tournaments and no Grand Slams she would still be # 1.

Grand Slams = irrelevant.

whatever Larry Scott.
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Re: For those that still doubt that the ranking system stinks

Im kinda confused about what this proves? 7 out of the top 10 seeds are still in, so the ranking system must be doing something right?

Although it is a totally different story on the mens side, I never doubted that the ranking system is effective?

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Re: For those that still doubt that the ranking system stinks

Slams are ITF. Rankings are done by the WTA and they want players in those WTA tournaments.

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Re: For those that still doubt that the ranking system stinks

I honestly think that it just shows that Justine brings her best tennis when she decides to play...at least the three slam winners of last year are in the top 8 as well.
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Re: For those that still doubt that the ranking system stinks

Justine has had the best record for the past two years, therefore, she is the #1 ranked player. All tournaments count, not just the Slams. The Slams do count more and, therefore, award the most points. Still, one must perform well the whole season not just at the Slams to be ranked #1.
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cuz u know, Sveta, Jelena, Ana, Anna, & Maria won Grand Slams last year

look, as an extreme example... let's say so-and-so won a Grand Slam, and did absolutely nothing for the rest year, whether it was cuz of injury or because so-and-so just sucked that bad the rest of the year. That person SHOULD NOT be in the top 10, and the ranking system protects against that. If Grand Slams were worth more, than someone like Marion Bartoli (i'm not hating here) would be ranked even higher, which is unfair and not reflective of her performance outside of Grand Slams.... er... that ONE GS.

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really it just shows that the real #2's arent up there. because:

Kuznetsova clearly isnt the #2 player...Jankovic god bless her... plays to much... her Grand slam results last year were not top 5....and Ana you could say got a bad draw with Venus at the US Open... the reason Justine is so far ahead is because the other people who did well in the slams, didnt play much...
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Re: For those that still doubt that the ranking system stinks

If Henin wouldn't had win the french and the US Open, Ivanovic and Kuznetsova would had.
300 hundred points more for each.
1# Kuznetsova 4.110
2# Henin 3.980

Also without her Grand Slams points she would not be able to defend her 2006 points so take off 700 - 450 - 450 points for her.
1# Kuznetsova 4.110
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9# Henin 2.280

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i think youre right^^
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Absurd! You remove points from Henin but those extra points would have been won by other top players.

Slams are actually given A LOT of points.
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OK, Justine was dominant in 2007, had a great year, no doubts, still, it wasn't as dominant as say Graf or Navratilova or Evert or even Serena in 2002.

She won 2 GSs out of 3 played and got to the semis of the other.

Now, let's look at the point difference with #2 Kuznetsova before Australian Open.

Justine: 6,430 points
Sveta: 3,810 points

difference: 2,620 points.

Now, let's take Roland Garros (1,000 points), Wimbledon (450 points) and US Open (1,000 points off)

That's a total of 2,450 point.

Justine would still be # 1 by a difference of 170 points.

In other words, up to Sydney she has played 16 tournaments, take out the 3 GSs and with 13 tournaments and no Grand Slams she would still be # 1.

Grand Slams = irrelevant.

whatever Larry Scott.

somebody is as drunk as a skunk.

Or maybe you just forgot that if Henin had not won those two Slams, some other player would have taken the winner's points.
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cuz u know, Sveta, Jelena, Ana, Anna, & Maria won Grand Slams last year

look, as an extreme example... let's say so-and-so won a Grand Slam, and did absolutely nothing for the rest year, whether it was cuz of injury or because so-and-so just sucked that bad the rest of the year. That person SHOULD NOT be in the top 10, and the ranking system protects against that. If Grand Slams were worth more, than someone like Marion Bartoli (i'm not hating here) would be ranked even higher, which is unfair and not reflective of her performance outside of Grand Slams.... er... that ONE GS.

I don't agree.

Take Venus for example, she won Wimbledon but she didn't perform too well in other tournaments, yet, she was still perceived as a better player than let's say Jankovic or Kuznetsova.
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somebody is as drunk as a skunk.

Or maybe you just forgot that if Henin had not won those two Slams, some other player would have taken the winner's points.
and maybe you are not drunk, just plain stupid.

Yes smartass, somebody would have taken those points, you don't know who do you?

Second, I didn't say it was with Justine not playing or winning those slams, I said you can take those points off and she is still #1.

and, you are an idiot.
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If Henin wouldn't had win the french and the US Open, Ivanovic and Kuznetsova would had.
300 hundred points more for each.
1# Kuznetsova 4.110
2# Henin 3.980

Also without her Grand Slams points she would not be able to defend her 2006 points so take off 700 - 450 - 450 points for her.
1# Kuznetsova 4.110
...
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9# Henin 2.280

(Correct me if I'm wrong)
and how do you know that?

Somebody else (e.g. Venus, Serena, Maria) could have been in the final and beat them.

The seeds would have been different, they could even not reach the finals.

Again, I didn't say if Justine didn't play, I said if they took the points away.
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I don't agree.

Take Venus for example, she won Wimbledon but she didn't perform too well in other tournaments, yet, she was still perceived as a better player than let's say Jankovic or Kuznetsova.
Venus quarterfinal-ed and better at all events played in 2007 aside from three--Istanbul 2R, Miami 3R, and Paris 3R. She played 13 events. She doesn't even have 17 events tacked on. If she makes the Melbourne QF, she's #5 with 14 events.

1700 of her 2720 pts would be from the Wimbledon win, SF in USO, and QF in Melbourne if she advances no further. That's pretty good to me.
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