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How do you think the Hingis legacy will be affected by her ban?

How do you think the Hingis legacy will be affected by her ban?


We should not underestimate the impact this ban will have on Hingis' career not only in the future, or lack of, but more importantly the retrospective effects.

I for one found the accusations very difficult to believe but these things very rarely happen by accident and especially to what is seen as probably the tour's most professional and well respected players. For all that we bitch about Martina on here over the years in the tennis community and the general public she is one of the few players that is given universal praise for their style of play and wholesomeness.

I'm sure she thought the lows of her career were the famous FO final and those AO moments when the Slam was so near but snatched from her. They indeed were low moments that we can even pass off as almost humorous today and even with joking aside, moments when she was probably the best player on the planet for a set and a bit. And making the comeback should have been the final chapter in her career, showing that she can still make an impact 10 years on from her finest tennis.

For me at least and certainly for the acutely aware Hingis although she would never openly admit it, this legacy is now categorically corrupted.

Reasons why she might have taken cocaine are irrelevant. Whether she took it recreationally in a club toilet or took it to gain competitive advantage, someone in her position shouldn't be stupid, that's right, stupid enough to get caught. She should be all too aware of the consequences and the rigorous testing procedures that take place which brings us back to the question of how on earth can Hingis have tested positive for drugs? How did she think she would get away with it? Was she allowed to get away with it in the past due to her reputation, is she an example? Is she being set up? I find it all totally incomprehensible.

It is the single worst thing she could have done. Tennis players rely on their post playing career as tennis commentators, even Boris Becker was welcomed back after the broom cupboard incident, but that was nothing to do with tennis. He still had the legacy, the glowing credentials of his on court ability, his natural raw talent. Who wants advice on the game from Hingis, what television executive is going to be the first to test public reaction to her and put his neck on the line? Will adidas stand by her like they did in her retirement? Will she be invited to exhibitions? The Tennis Hall of Fame?

These are the things that must be going through Hingis' mind right now. Frankly, if she was guilty it would be a hell of a lot easier for her to swallow, to imagine being innocent in her situation is just unthinkable.

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Of course not, not even an possibility... First, because this doping thing ocurred 8 years past her prime, and she was one of the most talented players that ever appeared, it´s not everyone that can spend more than 200 weeks as the number 1 player
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No matter how positively one tries to spin it, its just not good that this is going to be what people remember about the end of her career. In addition, with all the steroid and drug scandals in football, track and field, and baseball, and all the liars that have come from it, many people are going to have a hard time believing she didn't take it. Her achievements cannot be denied, and since this cocaine allegation came at a time in her career where no one really considered her a major threat to ever win a grand slam title again, it may not be so bad. But, her legacy is DEFINITELY affected by this. How much remains to be seen.

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Re: How do you think the Hingis legacy will be affected by her ban?

It doesn't ruin her career achievements, because everything she has achieved was way before the positive test (it's fair to say she achieved nothing after Wimbledon, right), even her last title was months before Wimbledon, so all those things will and should stay intact, as she passed hundreds of negative tests throughout her career until July 07. However, her image and reputation will be marked forever because of these accusations, that's for sure. A lot of people will unfortunately only remember those things about her...
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Right now - not good, but after the ban is over and a tennis show or network hires her things will be seen in a less controversial sports environment. There's simply too much going on with Baseball, the Olympics etc.... They're lumping everything into one bad mark on sports- period.

Unfortunately, it will depend on what happens next in tennis that is "Shocking". If nothing really happens, the Martina's incident will be remembered.

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Whether she used cocaine or not, the fact is it did not help her tennis results. If anything it probably hurt her tennis, therefore, her tennis accomplishments should not be diminished by the cocaine incident. As for endorsements and tennis commentary, that could still come in time. If not, I am sure Hingis has lots of money to lead a very comfortable life.
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They are plenty of stories about the Gerulitas era and cocaine. I don't think it affected any of their legacies.

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Re: How do you think the Hingis legacy will be affected by her ban?

Of course this thing tarnishes her lecacy... but time will heal a lot of the damage...

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Re: How do you think the Hingis legacy will be affected by her ban?

What legacy?

Hingis was nothing more than a good player. She was a great player for one year, a decade ago, as a sixteen year-old. After that, she was pushed back.

Very few players leave legacies, so that's nothing for Hingis to hang her head over.

The only players who have left legacies were Navratilova, Evert, King, Seles, Graf, Connolly, Court, Lenglen, Wills-Moody, all for different reasons, and maybe a few others. Venus and Serena.

But c'mon now, what legacy?
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Re: How do you think the Hingis legacy will be affected by her ban?

Let's see.
She will get into the Hall of Fame without a doubt.
She was never that big of a name in America to begin with and many part of Europe could care less what Hingis did, she's still their Swiss Miss.

She already retired and took her name off the wta rankings a month ago.
They're banning someone who realized by mid 2007 that she didn't have one more slam in her anyway.

How retarded does that sound?

Her legacy was complete in 2002.
6 straight Australian Open finals. One win away in 1997 from winning a calendar and career slam.
One of the craftiest players ever seen on any tennis tour. An absolutely amazing net player.
She didn't even need a Olympic medal or play for her country nationalistically (Olympics, FED CUP) for them to love her.

Justine might win two Olympic golds and half of Belgium would go, well it's not like Kim winning that US Open.

She's fine and she never cared.
I knew Hingis was coming back even before she started practicing.
You know why?
She brought that ugly picture from auction that Mauresmo and other players painted for charity.
You could tell she missed the game then.
She missed the game and she missed her fans. She wanted that feeling back again.

AND SHE DIDN'T NEED COCAINE TO GET IT!!! AND SHE DIDN'T DO IT!!!

Hingis' real fans will stand by her. Haters were waiting for this since she came back to the game. So go ahead and hate because it won't take away any of her accomplishments in the end.

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First of all, she's probably innocent.

Second, even if she's not, Cocaine is a recreational drug, not a performance drug. Maybe people will think she's a crack addict, but that would make her results more impressive, IMO.

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She didn't even need a Olympic medal or play for her country nationalistically (Olympics, FED CUP) for them to love her.
To be fair, Martina elevated Switzerland team from Europe/Africa zone to Fed Cup final. She won all her singles rubbers in 1998 uncluding two matches in the final vs Spain. Too pity Schnyder lost both her rubbers to Sanchez and Martinez in three sets...
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To be fair, Martina elevated Switzerland team from Europe/Africa zone to Fed Cup final. She won all her singles rubbers in 1998 uncluding two matches in the final vs Spain. Too pity Schnyder lost both her rubbers to Sanchez and Martinez in three sets...
I know that.
Are we on the same team here?

I'm trying to show that Hingis is loved without all the things that other players need for an legacy.
One good result at FED CUP does not equal the same that other players of her caliber and in her generation have done in sacrifices just for their country, just so they can be adored.

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Re: How do you think the Hingis legacy will be affected by her ban?

It doesn't change her accomplishments at all. But, I don't think she would have retired if she hadn't gotten caught (assuming she did it) and I do believe, without a doubt, that it puts a black cloud over her. Gerulitis is rumored to have done cocaine, but he wasn't forced out of the sport because of it.

Yeah, this left a bad taste in my mouth about Hingis. I do believe she is the most talented ever to play the game. She played, really, the way it was meant to be played. But, she was lazy and 85 mph serves ain't gonna win you anything. If she had worked a little (a lot?) harder, she'd still be threatening for slams today and none of this would have ever happened. I am not pleased that she snorted some coc and had to hang it all up again so abruptly. She'd have done better to stay away altogether.
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