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post #1 of 57 (permalink) Old Jul 22nd, 2002, 06:33 PM Thread Starter
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Wertheim accused of Williams favoritism

Werthiem's om a roll this week. LMAO

My friends and I long have been fans of your columns, until recently. We all want to ask you this question, and please don't feel obligated to respond. How much does the Williams family pay you every month to defend them publicly time and time again? Please don't take this the wrong way, but recently you come across as one of their obsessed fans rather then a respected journalist.

P.S. I'll understand if this question doesn't make it into the column next week.
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Again, this is an equal opportunity 'Bag. You don't have to agree with me to get your communique published. The raft of Williams fans who often accuse me being too critical of Venus and Serena will get a kick out of your submission. (Just this week, Cynthia Yost of Page, Ariz., labeled me a "racist," adding, "I'm sorry you find the Williamses so boring. Personally, I'd pay good money to watch one of them chase you around the court with a racket.")

In the past I've taken my shots at the House of Williams, particularly for the dubious withdrawals and for Richard's hostile comments and conduct. But overall it's pretty hard to take serious issue with Venus and Serena lately. Their tennis has been unimpeachable. Even the diehard Jennifer Capriati fans seem to have conceded that, at the moment, the sisters are a cut above the field. They've gone to great lengths to dial back their perceived arrogance, and their on-court behavior is pretty much beyond reproach. With Richard (thankfully) under the radar and their mother, Oracene, projecting class and calm, they have steered free of controversy. (If saying all that makes me an obsessed fan, so be it.)

Also, anyone else amused by the arc of the criticism against them? First, They're not as good as they think they are (Martina Hingis, inter alia, Key Biscayne 1997; Anna Kournikova, Wimbledon 1997.). Then, They're good, but, man, they're arrogant (1998-99). Then, They're good but they don't play enough to be considered great (2000-01). Now that they're indisputably the dominant forces in the women's game, They've suddenly become boring. And, by the way, Their matches might be fixed.

I'm not prepared to make the blanket statement that it's because of race, but, at least among Mailbag readers, I get a distinct sense that they're held to a higher standard of conduct and decorum. Consider questions like this:

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Really interesting how different people can see such different sides of someone.
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post #3 of 57 (permalink) Old Jul 22nd, 2002, 06:41 PM
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How right you are Ryan...Kinda make you think ugh?

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In 1997, 'They're not as good as they think they are' would have been correct. It's silly to try to apply that to 99 on and hold someone up to ridicule or criticism for saying something that was true at the time. Same with some of the other statements.
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Well, what with his picking a Williams to win every Slam since 2000 and his constant criticism of every other top player not named Lindsay Davenport, it makes you think. I would say he has American favoritism, but I don't remember him ever saying anything glowing about Capriati or Seles. As much as he likes to deny it (and I should point out, his response wasn't an outright denial), I challenge anyone to find the last mailbag where he didn't defend the Williams sisters. It will take you a little while. He usually gets one of these "pro-Williams" letters every few months. Notice no one ever accuses him of being pro-Hingis or pro-Capriati or pro-Seles? That's because he said Hingis is a doubles specialist who can't compete, Capriati is a spoiled brat with a bad mouth and additude, and Seles has as much chance of doing well at a Grand Slam as Glitter winning an Oscar.

I mean, he even found a way to defend Orecene Williams' hair! Saying Wertheim is pro-Williams is like saying the sky is blue or the Pope is Catholic: it's a no-brainer. I guess we'll just have to accept the fact that everyone, even (ahem) "journalists", have their biases.
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Bella - They WERE as good as they thought they were. They said one day they'd be #1 and #2 and playing against each other in GS finals.

Wertheim isn't holding those people up to ridicule. Those people made THEMSELVES ridiculous. Those people made fools of THEMSELVES. In 1997, statements like 'They're not as good as they think they are', seemed motivated, AT BEST, by fear and jealousy. In 2002, wow, nothing seems to have changed in the motivation department. But the fortunes of their tennis playing critics have faded. There's a good reason for this. A player who loses a match and then whines about her opponent is a loser.

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post #7 of 57 (permalink) Old Jul 22nd, 2002, 07:08 PM
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This is so funny because I have always thought that this guy was against the William's sisters. I still dont think he is in favor of them, but you cant deny results, at least honest people cant. I mean even if you dont like someone you have to admit when they are good. For some of the people who dont like Venus and Serena they just cant seem to give them any credit. At first they criticized their game, then their attitudes, then their clothing, now their closely watching every action on court to see if they try to hit someone with the ball so they can label them rude or classless. It's pretty pitiful and sad, but what else can you expect from sick, sad, and sorry individuals.
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Well said Volcana and Kay!

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Volcana, for someone who seems to be intelligent, I can't believe you don't understand the concept here. The Williams sisters thought they were great in 1997 but they clearly weren't. So anyone who said "they think they are better than they really are" was right. It's like saying Lindsay Davenport was overweight. She was. If I said that, back in 1997, she was overweight, only a fool would hold me accountable for that now, when she clearly isn't.
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He shows favoritism to Williams. He is biased. What happened to objective journalism?
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post #11 of 57 (permalink) Old Jul 22nd, 2002, 07:34 PM
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How do you know what they thought? They only stated that they were good enough to be the #1 in the world. But , why dont you go and post some of their comments just to prove your point.
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Ms. Lively, are you serious? What happened to objective journalism? It flew out the window once Serena and Venus entered the tour. Please, spare me. They get accused of everything but murder by journalists who are obviously biased and you ask NOW what happened to objective journalism......LMAO.
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Yes, I'll just go to www.WhatVenusSaidIn1997.com.



But if it pleases you so, I'll search for old interviews.
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LMAO@kay. Mrs Lively is so funny.

Werthim is like Lindsay trying to play both sides of the fence.

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Being overweight can be proved by meausrements of height weight, body fat, etc etc. in otherwords a fact.

believing you are a great player is subjective and an opinion and thus cannot be claimed to be wrong unless you set some objective standards.

Like Venus always said, she believed she was the best in her mind and it didn't matter what the rankings were. In her mind she was the best.

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