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Wertheim Describes Martina Hingis' Chances For Enshrinement into the ITHF

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Can Martina be denied the HOF based on her use of cocaine?

-- Randy Mayes, Bradford, Pa.

Not in my book. If she were cheating the competition and had tested positive for performance enhancers, it would give pause. But it's too moralistic to deny a player enshrinement because of recreational drug use. Besides, if players who'd snorted coke forfeited a chance for the Hall of Fame, suffice to say the place would be considerably smaller.
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Can Martina be denied the HOF based on her use of cocaine?

-- Randy Mayes, Bradford, Pa.

Not in my book. If she were cheating the competition and had tested positive for performance enhancers, it would give pause. But it's too moralistic to deny a player enshrinement because of recreational drug use. Besides, if players who'd snorted coke forfeited a chance for the Hall of Fame, suffice to say the place would be considerably smaller.
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Can Martina be denied the HOF based on her use of cocaine?

-- Randy Mayes, Bradford, Pa.

Besides, if players who'd snorted coke forfeited a chance for the Hall of Fame, suffice to say the place would be considerably smaller.
He can't throw out a comment like that and leave it hanging.

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As the people shouted in the streets....

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Oh wait, this isn't Pope John Paul's Message Boards... What I meant is...

"Enshrine her! Enshrine her! Enshrine her!"

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He can't throw out a comment like that and leave it hanging.


Why not? People around tennis like Wertheim, other commentators and former players all KNOW that Evert, McEnroe, Vitas, Borg, etc. all took drugs when they played, but saying it isn't professional. Which is what bugs me so much about Evert's non-support for Martina: the sex, drugs, and rock&roll queen of tennis during its golden era is too busy home-wrecking and milfing it up.
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Why not? People around tennis like Wertheim, other commentators and former players all KNOW that Evert, McEnroe, Vitas, Borg, etc. all took drugs when they played, but saying it isn't professional. Which is what bugs me so much about Evert's non-support for Martina: the sex, drugs, and rock&roll queen of tennis during its golden era is too busy home-wrecking and milfing it up.


I agree with this post. Although I didn't hear such things about Evert, it might be due to media's refusal to report it. If Hingis gets called out for rec drug use then so should other big names of the past.

Anyway the thread question is a no brainer. I despise Hingis but 5 GS titles and 16 Tier I's is what it is. Barring proven use of steroids while playing, she is automatic Hall of Fame, no discussion needed.
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Can Martina be denied the HOF based on her use of cocaine?

-- Randy Mayes, Bradford, Pa.

Not in my book. If she were cheating the competition and had tested positive for performance enhancers, it would give pause. But it's too moralistic to deny a player enshrinement because of recreational drug use. Besides, if players who'd snorted coke forfeited a chance for the Hall of Fame, suffice to say the place would be considerably smaller.
For a change, I actually agree with Wertheim. Who woulda thunk it?

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He can't throw out a comment like that and leave it hanging.
I'm old (based on this board's demographic) so I remember the rumors of drug use from the "old days".

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I'm old (based on this board's demographic) so I remember the rumors of drug use from the "old days".
Same here-lol! To deny Martina entrance into the HOF would be absurd and unfair. This whole incident, I think, has been very badly handled by the Wimbledon officails. Have they made any official statement yet?
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No, nobody has spoken about this exept Martina. They're too busy now trying to cover their mistake.
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If she were cheating the competition and had tested positive for performance enhancers, it would give pause. But it's too moralistic to deny a player enshrinement because of recreational drug use


He hit the jackpot with this quote. If she really want to cheat, she would have used some other type of drug which is much more potent and unable to be detected... cocaine is probably the dumbest thing to be used for this. Not only it is easily detectable, but it doesn't bring any benefits nor enchancements to her game.

I don't see why a player with 5 GS, multiple titles, numerous weeks at #1 and does not cheat be inducted to the ITHF. It would be a folly and injustice if she is excluded just because she did something which is bad in the eyes of the public, but has no major implications to the world of tennis!

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Um, haven't Borg and MacEnroe admitted that they used cocaine recreationally from time to time while they were at their peaks? And I love Chris Evert to death, but I would be shocked if she didn't use blow from time to time during the 70s.

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I agree with this post. Although I didn't hear such things about Evert, it might be due to media's refusal to report it. If Hingis gets called out for rec drug use then so should other big names of the past.

Anyway the thread question is a no brainer. I despise Hingis but 5 GS titles and 16 Tier I's is what it is. Barring proven use of steroids while playing, she is automatic Hall of Fame, no discussion needed.
Evert's use HAS been reported-by Peter Bodo, in his book "Courts of Babylon." There has been no indication in print that she used coke, but she has used marijuana.
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Summing up the season

Larry Scott of the Sony Ericsson WTA Tour might have had the best year of any of the heads of sports in the United States. The TV numbers for the WTA Championships in Madrid two weeks ago were overpowering (nine million viewers on Eurosport for the Justine Henin-Maria Sharapova final), but Scott is not treading water for 2008. He recently addressed these issues:

Martina Hingis' testing positive for cocaine: "She was in Madrid and we spent quite a bit of time talking about it. Until there's a finding of guilty by the tribunal, I want to believe and support her as much as possible. I hope she's innocent and can prove it."

— Will Hingis return to tennis if she's exonerated: No, says Scott, who asked her that question directly. "She's not coming back, regardless. She's retiring and moving on to the next stage of her life."

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Um, haven't Borg and MacEnroe admitted that they used cocaine recreationally from time to time while they were at their peaks?
Mac admitted to trying steroids at the end of his career, forget coke.

I tend to think Hingis DID take a snort too close to Wimby and got caught, but I don't get the hypocrisy moral indignation directed at her for it, and I certainly don't think it should keep her out of the Hall of Fame.

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