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Power vs. Finesse: Which is superior?

So, it's the offseason and Justine vs. WS threads get old after the 50th one or so. Anyway, this question came to me a few weeks ago and I'd like to see everyone's opinion on it.

Which is better(in terms of category of playing style), power or finesse? There are a vast range of playing styles and a lot of grey area so I'll try to split it down the middle somewhat and attempt to define these vague terms.

By a power style of play I mean...
..someone who is aggressive, uses powerful shots to go on the offensive early, usually has a big serve or big groundstrokes from at least one side. May be able to play defensive tennis but does not prefer it, especially against counterpunchers or players with dependable, steady strokes. Usually has high # of winners and often high # of UE's.

By finesse I'm referring to...
..counterpunchers, grinders, players who may have offensive weapons but would rather wait for openings, move their opponent around or force errors. Usually does not have a big serve or the biggest groundstrokes, although may have powerful ones in his/her repetoire. Usually has a low number of UE's.

Power players:
Serena
Venus
Sharapova
Davenport
Ivanovic

Federer
Roddick
Sampras
Djokovic

Finesse players:
Henin
Jankovic
Chakvetadze
Schnyder

Nadal
Ferrer
Nalbandian
Hewitt

So, which style do you think is superior? Also, if you disagree or think my categories are stupid, let me know Also, it would be interesting to find out what style you consider yourself to be.

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Federer = power player???

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Federer = power player???
yes? I'm a huge Fed fan and he's an aggressive player by nature and he fits everything I said.

The difference is Fed has almost every weapon a tennis player could have. He's somewhat of a combination of the two, but still.. based the categories I made..he fits in "power player"

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Re: Power vs. Finesse: Which is superior?

Nadal, Ferrer, and Hewit are "finesse" players now?

I think you're classifying players wrong.

But to answer you're question, power is best.
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yes? I'm a huge Fed fan and he's an aggressive player by nature and he fits everything I said.

The difference is Fed has almost every weapon a tennis player could have. He's somewhat of a combination of the two, but still.. based the categories I made..he fits in "power player"
Fed doesn't very often make very many errors. He also doesn't have trouble with counterpunchers. Unless you count Nadal as a counterpuncher... which I don't.
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Re: Power vs. Finesse: Which is superior?

Well. Let's look at my favorite players.

WTA: Dementieva, V. Williams, Davenport, Petrova, Mauresmo, Hantuchova (honorable mention to Navratilova ).
ATP: Sampras, Agassi, Nalbandian, Gasquet, Santoro, Murray (honorable mentions to Rafter and Chang ).

By your definitions, I have a Power:Finesse ratio of 6:6 without the honorable mentions. Even enough if you ask me.

I prefer watching finesse overall though. I like net rushing, slices, serving and volleying, and stratgetic positioning and maneuvering. Although my favorite favorite players are all big hitters, and I don't like Henin or Federer.

Anyway, finesse is superior to me, but not by a whole lot, although I wish more of tennis was more about court positioning and waiting for the right moment to attack than "just" hitting the ball.
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Re: Power vs. Finesse: Which is superior?

Power/Finesse possibly the wrong words but if anyone else can think of anything better, I'd be glad to change it.

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Re: Power vs. Finesse: Which is superior?

I think it's very difficult to categorise players into power and finesse, and I do think there is a whole seperate category for grinders. Most players have a bit of either categories. Take Lindsay, she is a hard hitter but she has great hands aswell and is patient enough to construct points well. Federer is a power player, but we all know of his great skills with the ball. I think in today's game, you need to be a power player on some sort of level to survive at the top. Nevertheless, it is still clear which players have the finesse element to their game.
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Fed doesn't very often make very many errors. He also doesn't have trouble with counterpunchers. Unless you count Nadal as a counterpuncher... which I don't.
Federer usually makes a bunch of errors unless he is in God mode. He goes for a lot which is why i put him as power/aggressive.


And I would consider Nadal an aggressive counterpuncher of sorts. You won't see him put up 40 winners and 20+ errors. He plays a safer game. Same with Ferrer.

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Re: Power vs. Finesse: Which is superior?

I think Justine is a hybrid of the two, because I can see her fitting both categories. She likes to take the offensive (though it's not in her nature).
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Re: Power vs. Finesse: Which is superior?

Nalbandian is finesse?? Alls he does is hit from the baseline, he's a power player, his groundstrokes are phenomonal.
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Re: Power vs. Finesse: Which is superior?

Often, a counterpuncher has no finesse whatsoever. Look at Chakvetadze.

Overall, however, a finesse game is more varied and skillful than a power game, so how anyone could prefer a power game is beyond me. Maybe it's the ADD-age

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Nalbandian is finesse?? Alls he does is hit from the baseline, he's a power player, his groundstrokes are phenomonal.
yea, I wasn't sure about him. However, if I had to put everyone in one category or the other, Nalbandian isn't always the amazing player that showed up the last month..and when he isn't, he seems more of a grinder to me although he can be very aggressive. I just dont see him fitting in the same category as Fed, Roddick and others.

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Nalbandian is finesse?? Alls he does is hit from the baseline, he's a power player, his groundstrokes are phenomonal.
That dose not make him a power player. He dose not hit the ball harder and harder to over power the other player. He hits it back and forth till he has an opening and takes it.

Also people, Base liner dose not = power player and all around game dose not = fitness player.

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Re: Power vs. Finesse: Which is superior?

Some more players...

Power/Aggressive/Offensive:
Elena Dementieva
Kim Clijsters
Monica Seles
Steffi Graf
Jennifer Capriati


Finesse/Defensive/Counterpuncher/Grinder:
Martina Hingis
Sanchez-Vicario
Anastacia Myskina
Amelie Mauresmo

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